tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post1644452003696227930..comments2024-03-25T03:28:44.234-04:00Comments on Just the Vax: Follow up on my post about Natalie and SSPEjustthevaxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07081499341191718417noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-70415579972124571822013-08-12T10:14:42.814-04:002013-08-12T10:14:42.814-04:00Yes, both her parents and Micha's are deeply r...Yes, both her parents and Micha's are deeply religious, something that helped them through the years of the children's decline.Catherinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580939201909356691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-69874949962750962152013-08-11T10:08:00.277-04:002013-08-11T10:08:00.277-04:00Natalie Knäpp was given a Roman Catholic burial. S...Natalie Knäpp was given a Roman Catholic burial. See<br />http://www.lz-trauer.de/Traueranzeige/Natalie-Knaepp<br />Jan Willem Nienhuyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915602295456881206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-9317118643627016532011-12-20T09:08:39.623-05:002011-12-20T09:08:39.623-05:00I also know that SSPE is a result of a child's...<i>I also know that SSPE is a result of a child's immune system not working properly, though I've been told that my child's immunodeficiency is unlikely to result in that.</i><br /><br />We don't know that to be the case yet. There are yet-to-be-identified host factors that may be involved with the progression of SSPE but you were misinformed.<br /><br /><i>We are also a committed Christian family, and all our children are God's gift to us, and we believe that if God has a mission for our child, they will achieve it. We also believe that if our children die - from whatever cause - maybe a car crash, or hepatitis B, or whatever, that the scripture that says that "our times are in His hands" is the only relevant one to us.</i><br /><br />On one hand, I'm glad you have found solace, but on the other, if you don't do everything within your power to protect your children and lazily pass their fate off to your god's will, then I find that repugnant.Science Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08832263571481452559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-8921227542134662262011-12-19T23:45:21.313-05:002011-12-19T23:45:21.313-05:00I am the mother of a son who is now nearly an adul...I am the mother of a son who is now nearly an adult, with an immunodeficiency who was not and will not be vaccinated. I accept that his immune system is different, and puts him at risk. <br /><br />I also know that SSPE is a result of a child's immune system not working properly, though I've been told that my child's immunodeficiency is unlikely to result in that. He got measles at two and managed fine. He's also had whooping cough (but then so have lots of vaccinated children), mumps and chickenpox, and did okay too.<br /><br />I am not at all concerned that other people's children are not vaccinated. <br /><br />We are also a committed Christian family, and all our children are God's gift to us, and we believe that if God has a mission for our child, they will achieve it. We also believe that if our children die - from whatever cause - maybe a car crash, or hepatitis B, or whatever, that the scripture that says that "our times are in His hands" is the only relevant one to us.<br /><br />Anything that resembles resentment, bitterness, anger, veangance simply separates us from God, and is misdirected. <br /><br />And it's knowing the above, and our relationship with God, that puts us at ease with the fact that other children are not vaccinated. We also researched carefully, and also decided not to vaccinate our other children either. They weren't tested as the youngest one was because he clearly showed signs that something was amiss, so we don't know if the others have any immune system issues, but they've all got through the same illnesses with no problems. <br /><br />I know that a lot of other people won't have that framework from which to work. I'm just saying that if, at some point, our immunodeficient child gets something for which there is a vaccine, and dies as a result, we will not be blaming anyone else for that event.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-73986545291935768952011-11-04T16:04:15.433-04:002011-11-04T16:04:15.433-04:00Wow, I don't think an apology is warranted her...Wow, I don't think an apology is warranted here. What I'm learning is that fear actually is a good way of motivating parents. It certainly motivated me. And it's the only thing that motivates anti-vaxxers. Why can we not show the other side of vaccines--what happens when you don't vaccinate--without being accused of "scaring people into vaccinating." The anti-vaxxers so this all the time with lies about the dangers of vaccines.Moms Who Vaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10630173401022073788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-17064010563825749282011-10-24T17:11:17.194-04:002011-10-24T17:11:17.194-04:00There is no provision to sue these parents in Germ...<i>There is no provision to sue these parents in German law. The new Infektionenschutzgesetz was passed after this all got started and it only regulates intentional transmission of reportable infectious diseases.</i><br /><br />There is a provision in the USA to sue for damages from a vaccine injury. There is a table for known reactions, and the evidence for proving it was the vaccine for an injury that is not tabulated is not terribly high. Though in the following list there many many cases which are dismissed, but also many where there was compensation:<br />http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/opinions_decisions_vaccine/UnPublished<br /><br />As I read through some of these, the compensation is often not very high, and the evidence against the vaccine is not very much.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14428361191787397415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-1598859830714491372011-10-24T16:04:11.477-04:002011-10-24T16:04:11.477-04:00Anon - that is a very sad story. You seem to be in...Anon - that is a very sad story. You seem to be in the wrong thread though.Catherinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580939201909356691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-12268289855849738902011-10-24T15:31:22.244-04:002011-10-24T15:31:22.244-04:00Disgusting phrase 'murder weapons.' http...Disgusting phrase 'murder weapons.' http://iansvoice.org/default.aspx These parents thought they were 'doing the right thing' too - their baby died. Murder weapon? Hepatitis B injection.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-81000227833340734362011-10-24T03:38:11.849-04:002011-10-24T03:38:11.849-04:00Anonymous - I don't think that scaring people ...Anonymous - I don't think that scaring people into important decisions is a good strategy. Parents of children who cannot be vaccinated (let's leave it at this, the reasons are varied and I am not going to second guess any of them in this thread) are scared enough. A story like Natalie's is not going to scare them the other way, it just adds to the burden of their overall situation (because the reason they don't vaccinate is usually that they have a very sick child to begin with).<br /><br />Those who don't vaccinate because of tinfoil conspiracy lies, or because Mother Gaia *will* take care of us if we don't doubt her big plan by vaccinating (and yes, I would not bring them up, if I had not interacted with such parents - recently someone claimed that the reason for polio was not a virus but that we don't run around in contact with the Earth, i.e. barefoot enough) will not be scared into vaccinating either, but I want to be able to say* that I raised awareness for one possible (even if unlikely in this magnitude) consequence, so they cannot claim they "didn't know".<br /><br />*in this one particular case I feel extra strongly, because I have interacted with Micha's mum and uncleCatherinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580939201909356691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-19398998025298070152011-10-23T18:32:08.143-04:002011-10-23T18:32:08.143-04:00I agree Anonymous and Me. I think that the opposi...I agree Anonymous and Me. I think that the opposition to Catherina's statement is the result of disbelief that an action such as wilful vaccine refusal could lead to stark outcomes like death or permanent disability. On the other hand, children that are unable to be vaccinated for medical reasons rely upon herd immunity and have the (rightful) expectation to be protected.Science Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08832263571481452559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-47488533955464887662011-10-23T16:29:27.036-04:002011-10-23T16:29:27.036-04:00I don't think you needed to apologize. These p...I don't think you needed to apologize. These people need to be humbled and scared into realizing the danger in losing the "herd effect".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-13829548344806779942011-10-22T18:37:56.058-04:002011-10-22T18:37:56.058-04:00This is an important clarification. And it is for ...This is an important clarification. And it is for those children/adults who cannot be vaccinated due to health vulnerabilities that the rest of us should.sharon Morrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15492764403059640967noreply@blogger.com