tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post264669687049954942..comments2024-03-25T03:28:44.234-04:00Comments on Just the Vax: Sue Reid propagates MMR Manufactuversy in the Daily Mailjustthevaxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07081499341191718417noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-44575315072627288952012-08-17T12:24:11.333-04:002012-08-17T12:24:11.333-04:00I will read the full papers, also i am doing more ...<i>I will read the full papers, also i am doing more review (e.g. mitochondrial diseases vaccines connection, if there are any, i have found some papers last year, so i will give you know asap)</i><br /><br />And when you are done, submit your paper this conference:<br />http://www.vaccinecongress.com/<br /><br />If you are a real scientist you will know how to write a paper and get it published.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14428361191787397415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-23392851329955099192012-08-17T11:16:19.072-04:002012-08-17T11:16:19.072-04:00I only delete links with no commentary as they loo...I only delete links with no commentary as they look like spam. I don't delete citation lists that appear in a comment like yours.Science Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08832263571481452559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-12085112860268619532012-08-17T09:38:49.584-04:002012-08-17T09:38:49.584-04:00Thanks for papers Chris. I will read the full pape...Thanks for papers Chris. I will read the full papers, also i am doing more review (e.g. mitochondrial diseases vaccines connection, if there are any, i have found some papers last year, so i will give you know asap)<br /><br />But looks like that generally "Wakefield" has prevented research into the vaccine safety despite the increase of vaccines administred to infants in US.<br /><br />You know, this is not only ASD what was suspect, but many, many other diseases. <br /><br />E.g. Consider possibility that any kid or your kid was immunologically damaged with vaccines and then with damaged immune system thereof contracted an infectious disease or developed any autoimmune disease. This is really serious. This is not anti-vax, but vaccine safety.<br /><br />Also give you know on the quality of those papers (especially from vaccine journal). Hope i wont be deleted/censored on this blog.<br /><br />Vaccine. 2012 Jun 13;30(28):4292-8. Epub 2012 Apr 20.<br />The combined measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines and the total number of vaccines are not associated with development of autism spectrum disorder: The first case-control study in Asia.<br /><br />Vaccine. 2012 Jan 5;30(2):247-53.<br />Lack of association between childhood immunizations and encephalitis in California, 1998-2008.<br /><br />Pediatrics Vol. 126 No. 2 August 1, 2010 (doi: 10.1542/peds.2009-1496)<br />Lack of Association Between Acellular Pertussis Vaccine and Seizures in Early Childhood<br /><br />BMC Public Health. 2011 May 19;11:340.<br />Congenital rubella syndrome and autism spectrum disorder prevented by rubella vaccination--United States, 2001-2010.<br /><br />Pediatrics. 2010 Jun;125(6):1134-41.<br />On-time vaccine receipt in the first year does not adversely affect neuropsychological outcomes.<br /><br />Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2010 May;29(5):397-400.<br />Lack of association between measles-mumps-rubella vaccination and autism in children: a case-control study.<br /><br />Pediatrics. 2009 Jun;123(6):1446-51.<br />Parental refusal of pertussis vaccination is associated with an increased risk of pertussis infection in children.<br /><br />Pediatrics, February 2009, Vol. 123(2):475-82<br />Neuropsychological Performance 10 years after Immunization in Infancy with Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines<br /><br />Am J Epidemiol. 2008 Dec 15;168(12):1389-96. Epub 2008 Oct 15.<br />Geographic clustering of nonmedical exemptions to school immunization requirements and associations with geographic clustering of pertussis.<br /><br />PLoS ONE 2008; 3(9): e3140 doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0003140<br />Lack of Association between Measles Virus Vaccine and Autism with Enteropathy: A Case-Control Study.<br /><br />Pediatrics. 2007 Nov;120(5):e1269-77.<br />Is childhood vaccination associated with asthma? A meta-analysis of observational studies.<br /><br />Vaccine. 2007 Jun 21;25(26):4875-9. Epub 2007 Mar 16.<br />Do immunisations reduce the risk for SIDS? A meta-analysis.<br /><br />Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2006 Sep;25(9):768-73.<br />Encephalopathy after whole-cell pertussis or measles vaccination: lack of evidence for a causal association in a retrospective case-control study.<br /><br />J Infect Dis. 2005 Nov 15;192(10):1686-93. Epub 2005 Oct 12.<br />Subacute sclerosing panencephalitis: more cases of this fatal disease are prevented by measles immunization than was previously recognized.<br /><br />Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med. 2005;159:1136-1144.<br />Economic Evaluation of the 7-Vaccine Routine Childhood Immunization Schedule in the United States, 2001<br /><br />Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2002 Jun;21(6):498-504.<br />Childhood vaccinations and risk of asthma.<br /><br />Pediatrics. 2001 Dec;108(6):E112<br />Childhood vaccinations, vaccination timing, and risk of type 1 diabetes mellitus.<br /><br />JAMA. 2000 Dec 27;284(24):3145-50.<br />Individual and community risks of measles and pertussis associated with personal exemptions to immunization.<br /><br />Pharmascientisthttp://www.wwww.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-27880223800539939232012-08-10T16:54:32.844-04:002012-08-10T16:54:32.844-04:00Anonymous, I can't even follow along with your...Anonymous, I can't even follow along with your incoherent drivelling either. I don't know what Middle Roader has to do with this but if she has something she would like to talk to me about, she can and knows how to. She is a lovely, smart woman so please leave her out of your screeds. It makes you look even more pathetic.Science Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08832263571481452559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-16353608388198128522012-08-10T16:00:30.840-04:002012-08-10T16:00:30.840-04:00That is why we protect our children from diseases....That is why we protect our children from diseases. Something that Roald Dahl was not able to do for one of his oldest child. <br /><br />If you have any real verifiable data that the MMR vaccine is more dangerous than measles, mumps and rubella: please present it. And do use real citations and not cut/paste screeds from random websites.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14428361191787397415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-8510796618145295642012-08-10T15:58:02.559-04:002012-08-10T15:58:02.559-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14428361191787397415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-75737554229626830442012-08-10T15:03:15.086-04:002012-08-10T15:03:15.086-04:00life is pretty precious and i get excited about it...life is pretty precious and i get excited about it... sorry you can't handle all the !!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-48371260742206684512012-08-10T14:40:35.410-04:002012-08-10T14:40:35.410-04:00so that's your excuse for not answering 2 simp...so that's your excuse for not answering 2 simple questions? this is LAMEAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-77708132657428387232012-08-10T13:55:46.433-04:002012-08-10T13:55:46.433-04:00Anon - I am on vacation and must say, on cursory r...Anon - I am on vacation and must say, on cursory read, I don't think I will answer you when I am back. Your posts are too incoherent, have too many wild claims and too many !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Catherinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580939201909356691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-13137484406845609302012-08-10T13:13:08.712-04:002012-08-10T13:13:08.712-04:00This is unbelievable~~~ Middle Roader asks:
"...This is unbelievable~~~ Middle Roader asks:<br /><br />"But isn't this year's vaccine the same as last year's? I keep hearing this and so I would also wonder why you would need to repeat the shot this year. Or is this year's shot similar but not the same as last year's?"<br />Science Mom's response:<br /><br />You don't really need to repeat the vaccine but uptake is encouraged to keep demand up for manufacturing purposes. Yes, I know. SM *insert childish frown face here*<br /><br />OH MY LORD! did you read your response SM!!... ridiculous! that was your closing remark that followed a bunch of regurgitated "research" concluding :These are the same virus strains that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) selected for inclusion in the Northern Hemisphere vaccine being used in the United States during the 2010-2011 season. <br /><br />manufacturing purposes... what are the drug makers going to go out of business if we do not adhere to the crappy recommendations from the FDA!!!!!!!!!!!! so again... add up the toxins! still waiting for your answers and so is middle roader. In case you are not sure what the questions are...<br />1) I've heard it said that an infant's immune system is immature, is that true? (middle roader)<br />2) what is causing the rise in auto immune disorders and neurological problems? (anonymous)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-51391960034321480172012-08-10T12:52:20.983-04:002012-08-10T12:52:20.983-04:00hmm... looks like this is not the first time you h...hmm... looks like this is not the first time you have left this type of question go unanswered Science Mom!<br /> <br /><br /> Middle Roader wrote<br />"Would you happen to know which vaxs are the same [dose], which are less for the infant and which are more for the infant?"Yes. Hep B is half the dose for infants as the adult dose. The pertussis and diphtheria portions are actually higher for infants (DTaP) than for adults (Tdap) hence the capitol v. small letters. Infants are naive to pertussis and diphtheria so they need a higher antigen concentration to achieve a protective antibody response. MMR is the same volume dose for infants and for adults because again, infants are naive to the antigens and need to mount a robust response. Whereas most adults have had an MMR already and another will allow them to mount an amnestic response. Same with varicella although Zostavax (for shingles) has 10x the concentration as the infant/adult dose because of the lowered response in older people. The same goes for IPV (polio). So yes, adults are actually getting an infant dose of some vaccines rather than the other way around. You can't look merely at the volume or concentration; you have to consider what is required for certain cohorts to achieve protection. <br /><br />SM <br /><br /><br /><br />Apr 28, 2012; 8:34pm Middle Roader <br />Thanks! I just emailed my friend and we shall see if how I put it made sense to her. One other thought that popped in my head while I was writing: <br /><br />I've heard it said that an infant's immune system is immature, is that true? <br />~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br />Poor middle roader, after reading the spit up research of SM, she asked a very important question.....<br /> I've heard it said that an infant's immune system is immature, is that true? <br />Where is your answer SM?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-37893927950947215792012-08-10T12:07:09.226-04:002012-08-10T12:07:09.226-04:00still waiting for your educated opinion or scienti...still waiting for your educated opinion or scientific answer. hope you will figure it out before your children become sick from all the jabs. my choices on the topic do not make me feel special and important, they make me feel healthy and responsible for my health. again, i do not wish sickness on anyone.... but if you do get some neurological or autoimmune problem down the road, dont forget to try to apply your science to the possiblity that vaccines are the culprit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-51255372918040742942012-08-10T11:26:24.615-04:002012-08-10T11:26:24.615-04:00still waiting for responses that defend your toxic...<i>still waiting for responses that defend your toxic vaccines.</i><br /><br />Keep waiting; you're entirely uneducable. You're not interested in actually learning or obtaining information you didn't have; you're only interested in showcasing your desperate attempt to set yourself apart from "the herd". You're part of the lowest common denominator who wants shortcuts to feel special and important and with that, you have become a mockery of education and critical-thinking.Science Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08832263571481452559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-33472800248324588562012-08-10T09:32:19.645-04:002012-08-10T09:32:19.645-04:00Catherina must be the more mature one of the lot o...Catherina must be the more mature one of the lot of you. her silence is tall telling of that or maybe she has no real opinion of my points here. problems are mounting for babies and children... and toxic vaccines are one of the factors behind it. give someone an overload of bad substances --- it will eventually cause problems. you are fooling yourselves to believe differently. why are babies getting more shots today than they were even 20 years ago? still waiting for responses that defend your toxic vaccines.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-12719972488956663272012-08-10T09:19:46.099-04:002012-08-10T09:19:46.099-04:00yet u continue make comments. your mean spirit is ...yet u continue make comments. your mean spirit is not doing any favors for your website ... why don't u go to the playground and get your aggression out face to face with someone!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-83712303158106048702012-08-09T23:54:13.213-04:002012-08-09T23:54:13.213-04:00You're not debating; you're spewing spittl...You're not debating; you're spewing spittle-flecked screeds with nary a proper citation to support your "intuition". Your poor grammar is probably the least of your worries right now.Science Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08832263571481452559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-69836051465822715542012-08-09T19:29:35.931-04:002012-08-09T19:29:35.931-04:00What part of "your whole post is just crazy ...What part of "your whole post is just crazy talk and really not worth commenting further on" did you find hard to understand?Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14428361191787397415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-59740508928447696272012-08-09T16:28:49.220-04:002012-08-09T16:28:49.220-04:00I am still curious to know SM''s answer ? ...I am still curious to know SM''s answer ? what is she afraid of? research does not follow adverse affect of vaccines extensively... and that is the problem! so none of u really know what the ever growing number of vaccines do to a child! I love a debate and you do not have an answer that supports your dirty vaccines . not looking for points on spelling and grammar and yes I am pretty clever. thanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-70409869190811751662012-08-09T16:13:09.099-04:002012-08-09T16:13:09.099-04:00are u afraid to answer the question about what is ...<i>are u afraid to answer the question about what is causing the rise in auto immune disorders and neurological problems? </i><br /><br />Except you provided no proof that was occurring, and that vaccines are the cause. So, in a sense, you are being ignored because you are just babbling off the nonsense we have heard for years. And you do not get any bonus points for your creative spelling, grammar, choices of information, general insults and straying off the topic of this article. <br /><br />Which is why Science Mom said: "your whole post is just crazy talk and really not worth commenting further on."Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14428361191787397415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-61433292058937910302012-08-09T16:02:16.191-04:002012-08-09T16:02:16.191-04:00that is your comeback? are u afraid to answer the ...that is your comeback? are u afraid to answer the question about what is causing the rise in auto immune disorders and neurological problems? what do your sophisticated science chops tell you? I am hardly bothered by your criticism! just think its funny that she pointed out some things about your blog that I completely agreed with 3 years later! love how u blanket a different point of view always being anti vax propaganda and or crazy talk. still waiting for your answerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-75213945266796046452012-08-09T15:22:21.199-04:002012-08-09T15:22:21.199-04:00Vaccines are toxic, and so is your website
You ca...<i>Vaccines are toxic, and so is your website</i><br /><br />You came here of your own volition, put on your big girl panties and deal with the criticism.Science Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08832263571481452559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-6521155748187832572012-08-09T15:21:05.815-04:002012-08-09T15:21:05.815-04:00Where have I ever led you to believe that I rely o...<i><b>Where have I ever led you to believe that I rely on scientific research to make my decisions.</b> My son needed a life saving surgery, and because of advancements in science, he is here today, taking a direct hand in decreasing infant mortality. stop giving credit to your vaccines!</i><br /><br />Emphasis mine. This is anti-vaxx comedy gold! Of course you would think mine was a stupid question, just re-read your response.<br /><br /><i>so we are clear about the toxins: (to name a few) There is aluminum in Hep B... There are also trace or residual amounts of 2-phenoxyethanol, phenol, albumin, sucrose, lactose, MSG, glycine, formaldehyde, and antibiotics (neomycin) in vaccines. These are very small amounts, but do we want to continually inject even small amounts of these toxins directly into our tiny babies’ developing bodies, given their inability to detoxify and how vulnerable they are to low levels of toxins?</i><br /><br />Oh noes, sucrose and lactose are TOXIC!!! Infants are born with more aluminium than all the vaccines they get and we produce formaldehyde as a necessary metabolite and the rest aren't toxins either. Given your reliance on "intuition" rather than facts and boy does it show, your whole post is just crazy talk and really not worth commenting further on.Science Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08832263571481452559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-60230299136654197692012-08-09T14:58:20.612-04:002012-08-09T14:58:20.612-04:00Here is a pioneer in health! her website is insigh...Here is a pioneer in health! her website is insightful and awesome! yes it is an anecdotal story, one that you ladies could learn from, or perhaps you will be a statistical disease later in life. This woman took control of her unhealthy upbringing and is making healty life choices for her unvaccinated daughter! i love it<br /><br />http://foodforkidshealth.com/annikas-health-crisis-and-mission/<br /><br />Vaccines are toxic, and so is your websiteAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-2701817021710991212012-08-09T13:11:46.251-04:002012-08-09T13:11:46.251-04:00hahahaha! i just ventured on to other parts of you...hahahaha! i just ventured on to other parts of your blog and came upon this from 3 years ago... looks like you have girls have not changed a bit!<br /> <br /><br />This is the first post I read, and I wanted to tactfully say that your responses on that forum do not cause readers to consider your viewpoints to be very valid when you share them by using what I'd call "fighting words." These would include such words as "infantile," "quack," "crackpot," "preposterous," nonsense," and the list goes on. People tend to read these words as attacks. When you say things to people that come across as sarcastic, like asking people, "So what's your point?" and by saying things such as this: "Welcome back, Bob - was there anything you actually wanted to blog about here? There is no real info in your write up, just your "jesting" (and a lot of "duh, I don't knows)..." - that really makes you come across as being angry and uncharitable, as do your implications that people are irresponsible by posting their own views and experiences ("There are undoubtedly extenuating circumstances here which you would be much more responsible posting"). I realize you have a passion for your viewpoints - why not try to express these views in a more charitable and gentle-spirited manner? It can be difficult when one is passionate about her beliefs, but really, all the readers on the Dr. Sears site are just trying to do what is best for their children and are searching for answers, and some of your word choices tend to put people on the defensive instead of helping them in their decision-making processes. Based on the comments above, it would seem that your word choices are at times off-putting to those on both sides of the debate.<br /><br />I hope these words are received in the respectful spirit in which they were intended.<br /><br />WELL SAID! I have never blogged about the topic until recently, and this persons comment from 3 years ago... expressed so eloquently exactly how I felt dealing with you and your comments! thought it deserved to be highlighted again!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-21245790157933689512012-08-09T12:37:52.789-04:002012-08-09T12:37:52.789-04:00Your stupid question Science mom...
Did you demand...Your stupid question Science mom...<br />Did you demand studies from the surgeons that the procedure had been submitted to controlled trials for several years before being performed on your child? Why not?<br /><br />Where have I ever led you to believe that I rely on scientific research to make my decisions. My son needed a life saving surgery, and because of advancements in science, he is here today, taking a direct hand in decreasing infant mortality. stop giving credit to your vaccines! <br />For you gals WHO need so called research to think for yourselves...Where is the solid evidence that babies, who get more than two-dozen doses of vaccines by age six months, are healthier as they grow up than those, who get fewer vaccines or no vaccines? No large, prospective studies have been done comparing the long-term health outcomes of children, who are vaccinated according to the CDC schedule, with those, who are not. I will again take my awesome intuition leading me to think for myself over your "research" conducted by the giant pharmaceuticals, coupled with law makers that are recipients of the deep pockets of these companies. they are the ones who use fear mongering tactics to sell more and more vaccines. Stop accusing Sue Reid and let her write about our debated topic here.. don't you see the conflict of interest with all your "research"?<br /><br />well here in America, we are progressively challenging the bloated and expensive vaccine schedule and are telling doctors and legislators: "Show Us the Science, and Give Us the Choice." yes i took this from an anti vaccine website -- so what, get over it.<br />Your children may be healthy now, but you will never know how healthy they could be without all the toxins you are giving them. you Gals, have yet to answer my looming question - what is your explanation (don't care if it is scientific or not) of the growing number of neurological and other disorders? please..I would really love to know?? If your child or (someone you know), suddenly develops lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, or any other auto immune disorders later in life.. you may consider you lended a hand by inundating them with toxins.<br /><br />so we are clear about the toxins: (to name a few) There is aluminum in Hep B... There are also trace or residual amounts of 2-phenoxyethanol, phenol, albumin, sucrose, lactose, MSG, glycine, formaldehyde, and antibiotics (neomycin) in vaccines. These are very small amounts, but do we want to continually inject even small amounts of these toxins directly into our tiny babies’ developing bodies, given their inability to detoxify and how vulnerable they are to low levels of toxins? If trace amounts of formaldehyde, MSG, or antibiotics were in foods that were to be given to our babies, most of us wouldn’t allow it. Yet, these toxins go directly into the baby’s bloodstream. Vaccines also can contain egg and yeast proteins. We delay giving our babies solid foods, mostly to avoid the proteins that can cause allergies. Why would we inject isolated proteins into their bodies at 2 months old?<br />Please understand, I am not in favor of any shots... so please stop criticizing my debate, saying i am not posting to the right blog or what does this have to do with MMR or whatever. I am speaking out against them all.<br /><br />The Italian family received justice. the vaccine was the tipping point, full stop! and Italian court agrees.....THEY WON! :o)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com