tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post4290021448492367378..comments2024-03-25T03:28:44.234-04:00Comments on Just the Vax: The Best Anti-Vaccine Comment Ever!justthevaxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07081499341191718417noreply@blogger.comBlogger128125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-83613541892796487672012-08-16T23:10:17.108-04:002012-08-16T23:10:17.108-04:00Why would multivalent vaccines be dangerous? That...Why would multivalent vaccines be dangerous? That makes absolutely no sense. Most natural pathogens have many more antigens than 3 or 4. The natural bacteria in your gut has 100,000s and your immune system keeps them in check every single day. The number of antigens from a sandwich that your immune system samples after you eat is massive.<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795018472494148149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-13381162797947319472012-08-16T22:59:36.087-04:002012-08-16T22:59:36.087-04:00Worrying about multivalent vaccines is ridiculous....Worrying about multivalent vaccines is ridiculous. If you get a cold you are exposed to 15-25 different antigens at one time. If you get strep throat it could be as high as 50. Why would three or four make any difference at all? <br /><br />Children in their first 5 years, especially their first year of life, are at greatest risk from vaccine preventable diseases. A lot of vaccines are not safe for small infants so they are not given until later in life. The ones that are given have been shown to be safe and it is important to protect them at that vulnerable time of their life.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795018472494148149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-77175703876207675562012-08-16T18:46:15.229-04:002012-08-16T18:46:15.229-04:00infants (0-2 years age) are damaged by unsafe vacc...<i>infants (0-2 years age) are damaged by unsafe vaccines in U.S.</i><br /><br />Then provide the supporting evidence for that claim. That would satisfy Catherina's request that you say something of substance. Cutting and pasting by Ben Goldacre does not qualify.<br /><br />Please provide the title, date and journal of the PubMed indexed papers that show children age two and under are being damaged by vaccines. And, please, learn to use your shift key and just attempt actual English grammar and punctuation.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14428361191787397415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-12724346085815667222012-08-16T18:12:41.260-04:002012-08-16T18:12:41.260-04:00Bad science
This is where it is flawed, so we can...Bad science<br /><br />This is where it is flawed, so we can get unsafe drugs, and vaccines - with dr. Proffit<br /><br />http://www.badscience.net/2009/10/and-now-nerd-news/<br /><br />We have known for decades that academic publishing faces two serious problems. One is that trials often go missing in action: a drug company might do eight trials of a drug, say, but only two have a positive result. So those two positive trials will appear in an academic journal, while the six remaining with negative results quietly disappear. Bizarrely, regulatory bodies like the FDA get to see this negative data, but often enough doctors do not.<br /><br />This is a familiar problem, and a murderous one, because overall the results of all 8 trials combined might show that the treatment is ineffective: in the absence of this full information, people are subjected unnecessarily to side effects, and deprived of other more effective treatments.<br /><br />On top of that, we also know that researchers can mischievously change their stated goal, or “primary outcome”, after their trial has finished. You might do a trial on a blood pressure pill, for example, stating that you will look to see if it can reduce heart attacks, but find at the end that it doesn’t. Then you might retrospectively change the whole purpose of your study, ignore the heart attacks, pretend it was only ever about blood pressure, and glowingly report a reduction in blood pressure as if this was the primary outcome you were always interested in. Or you might measure so many different things that some of them will show up as positive changes simply by chance.<br /><br />Both of these problems are supposed to have already been fixed by clinical trials registers: before you start your trial, you publish the protocol, saying exactly what your primary outcome is, how many people are in your trial, when it will finish, and so on. Then people can see if your trial has gone missing in action, and we can see if you have misled us, changing your primary outcome, by looking at the protocol and the finished academic paper side by side.<br /><br />This only works if it is enforced. In 2005, the International Committee of Medical Journal Editors announced they would only publish trials that had been registered. Many journals check initial protocols against finished academic papers. So Sylvain Matthieu and colleagues checked up on the system: they gathered together all of the randomised controlled trials from cardiology, rheumatology, and gastroenterology in the 10 biggest general medical and specialty journals from 2008.Pharmascientisthttp://www.wwww.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-51693231438720830732012-08-16T18:06:01.160-04:002012-08-16T18:06:01.160-04:00infants (0-2 years age) are damaged by unsafe vacc...infants (0-2 years age) are damaged by unsafe vaccines in U.S.<br /><br />so your "just the vax" is silly, as you argument with the infectious disease threat, and disregarding vaccine safety.Pharmascientisthttp://www.wwww.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-78964095634649539932012-08-16T18:01:10.957-04:002012-08-16T18:01:10.957-04:00i have never claimed anything you imply in that. d...i have never claimed anything you imply in that. dont be silly. even the majority of the anti-vaxxers are aware the dangers of infectious diseases. they have simply a very good reason to be sceptical as the 0-2 years old kids are targeted by increased and multivalent UNSAFE vaccine loads.<br /><br />my claims are about vaccine safety only, for safery of children 0-2 year of age. this is immunological/metabolical/neurological safety.<br /><br />your kid got damaged with a disease, and i am concerned about vaccine safety. you should understand it, it is the same as a kid can get damaged with a disease, kid als kido can get damaged by a vaccine (immunological/metabolical/neurological damage).<br /><br />you can think Chris.Pharmascientisthttp://www.wwww.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-3733694105749553162012-08-16T16:50:11.900-04:002012-08-16T16:50:11.900-04:00Pharmascientist (I doubt that), you are waffling a...Pharmascientist (I doubt that), you are waffling and serving us wild copypasta from the "usual" vaxxaloon sources, garnished with supposedly witty name calling. Do you have anything of substance to say? Otherwise I'd be tempted to close this thread to comments, since it was not meant as a competition to beat the comment in the OP. Cheers.Catherinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580939201909356691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-86968424348063907972012-08-16T16:36:21.008-04:002012-08-16T16:36:21.008-04:00First thing: I cannot understand your text speak....First thing: I cannot understand your text speak. Please be courteous and actually spell out your words, use proper punctuation and grammar. Second thing: Do not use insults when referring to other people like Dr. Offit, or invoke a conspiracy theory. Doing these simple things would make us believe you have a college science degree.<br /><br />Third thing: if you make a claim, you need to provide supporting evidence for that claim. If the vaccines are more dangerous than the diseases (like pertussis, hib, etc), then provide proper citations. And that does not mean websites, or a news article (especially one where the original is gone). <br /><br />Finally, why would anyone delete your evidence? Try again, but do not use lots of URL links. Here are some examples of the citations:<br /><br />Vaccine. 2012 Jun 13;30(28):4292-8. Epub 2012 Apr 20.<br />The combined measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines and the total number of vaccines are not associated with development of autism spectrum disorder: The first case-control study in Asia.<br /><br />Vaccine. 2012 Jan 5;30(2):247-53. <br />Lack of association between childhood immunizations and encephalitis in California, 1998-2008.<br /><br />Pediatrics Vol. 126 No. 2 August 1, 2010 (doi: 10.1542/peds.2009-1496) <br />Lack of Association Between Acellular Pertussis Vaccine and Seizures in Early Childhood<br /><br />BMC Public Health. 2011 May 19;11:340.<br />Congenital rubella syndrome and autism spectrum disorder prevented by rubella vaccination--United States, 2001-2010.<br /><br />Pediatrics. 2010 Jun;125(6):1134-41. <br />On-time vaccine receipt in the first year does not adversely affect neuropsychological outcomes.<br /><br />Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2010 May;29(5):397-400.<br />Lack of association between measles-mumps-rubella vaccination and autism in children: a case-control study.<br /><br />Pediatrics. 2009 Jun;123(6):1446-51.<br />Parental refusal of pertussis vaccination is associated with an increased risk of pertussis infection in children.<br /><br />Pediatrics, February 2009, Vol. 123(2):475-82<br />Neuropsychological Performance 10 years after Immunization in Infancy with Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines<br /><br />Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14428361191787397415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-45976323016207172712012-08-16T16:35:04.020-04:002012-08-16T16:35:04.020-04:00yes, it is exxegerated as a hoax, a scare. i agree...yes, it is exxegerated as a hoax, a scare. i agree. thanks for the link.<br /><br />http://www.badscience.net/2009/02/legal-chill-from-lbc-973-over-jeni-barnetts-mmr-scaremongering/<br /><br />--<br /><br />btw i am 100 % pro-vaccine. it is needed. i am concerned with vaccine safety only, so i am not "just the vax".Pharmascientisthttp://www.wwww.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-66042228703444763662012-08-16T16:14:35.124-04:002012-08-16T16:14:35.124-04:00Chris, respond only to my post pls, i am not anti-...Chris, respond only to my post pls, i am not anti-vaxer or homeopath, i am a real pharmaceutical scientist, so do not use any ad-hominem. DTaP vaccine is needed, but a safe one. generally, how to not damage 0-2/3 year children with vaccines. <br />I have read today that your child got damaged by vaccine-preventable illness, but the same applies in the case of unsafe vaccine damages to many other children of 0-2/3 year of age. Do you understand ? <br /><br />certainly there is cover-up from industry and industry affiliated individuals as dr. Proffit.<br /><br /><br />ad:<br />"Show us exactly how much more dangerous the "toxins" in the DTaP vaccine are worse than the toxins created by the bacteria that cause diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis. One of those is tetanospasmin."<br /><br /><br />They have deleted it many times a year ago when i have posted references, so lets say they wont do it again.<br /><br />ad<br /><br />I don't believe Science Mom or Catherina would delete any post that provided a proper citation that included the title, date and journal of the PubMed indexed papers that support your statements.Pharmascientisthttp://www.wwww.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-14342343934407508982012-08-16T16:08:44.516-04:002012-08-16T16:08:44.516-04:00So please tell with real citations that do not inc...So please tell with real citations that do not include Dr. Chris Shaw what ingredients in the DTaP vaccine are more dangerous than the very real toxins created by the bacteria that cause diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14428361191787397415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-19989995187130777542012-08-16T16:01:06.013-04:002012-08-16T16:01:06.013-04:00Thank You very much people, for responses on 15th ...Thank You very much people, for responses on 15th and 16th august.<br /><br /><br />Vaccines are necessary, but we need safe vaccines. Do You understand it ?<br /><br />Thimerosal was removed (for goodness sake, ethylmercury is neurotoxic), but now we have got a dangerous (exploitative/corporate) trends of unsafe multivalent vaccines with aluminium and the increase in vaccines, at least in U.S. A profit-driven corporate one, callously disregarding the vaccine damage of such a trend.<br /><br />Dont be dupes of vaccine industrialists of such a trend, as is dr. Profit.<br /><br />We know the infectious disease are dangerous, but unsafe vaccines are too.Pharmascientisthttp://www.wwww.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-3127451924159533842012-08-16T15:51:51.768-04:002012-08-16T15:51:51.768-04:00Ah, it turns out it was a hoax:
http://jaycueaitch...Ah, it turns out it was a hoax:<br />http://jaycueaitch.wordpress.com/2010/10/29/yet-another-mmr-scare/Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14428361191787397415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-40703678993670248122012-08-16T15:49:43.402-04:002012-08-16T15:49:43.402-04:00I cannot find this article on http://www.thesunday...I cannot find this article on http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk. Please tell us who wrote that, because I have never seen that claim anywhere.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14428361191787397415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-74489851597950963932012-08-16T15:47:29.699-04:002012-08-16T15:47:29.699-04:00Okay, then answer my question anyway:
Show us exac...Okay, then answer my question anyway:<br />Show us exactly how much more dangerous the "toxins" in the DTaP vaccine are worse than the toxins created by the bacteria that cause diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis. One of those is tetanospasmin.<br /><br />I don't believe Science Mom or Catherina would delete any post that provided a proper citation that included the title, date and journal of the PubMed indexed papers that support your statements.<br /><br />Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14428361191787397415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-75675078221250929642012-08-16T15:36:12.275-04:002012-08-16T15:36:12.275-04:00i am vaccine-safety proponent, not anti-vaxer. pls...i am vaccine-safety proponent, not anti-vaxer. pls, do not be blind - its pathological, as<br />vaccine industrialist Mr. Proffit ("10 000 vaccines a day are completely safe for a kid")<br /><br />BTW<br /><br />you may already know this but just in case.<br />40 UK children killed by MMR – and the true picture<br />could be 10 times worse<br /><br />27 October<br />2010Forty children have died after a routine vaccination such as MMR and<br />2,100 more have suffered a serious reaction, UK health authorities have been<br />forced to disclose this week – and these figures are just the tip of the<br />iceberg.<br /><br />Two of the vaccinated children have been left with permanent brain damage, and<br />1500 others have suffered neurological reactions, including 11 cases of brain<br />inflammation and 13 cases of epilepsy and coma. Overall, there have been<br />more than 2,100 adverse reactions to a childhood vaccine in the UK in the last<br />seven years.<br /><br />The UK’s Medicine and Healthcare Products Regulatory Authority (MHRA) was<br />forced to reveal the figures following a request from a journalist under<br />freedom of information legislation.<br /><br />The true picture is likely to be far worse. The MHRA cases are only those<br />that doctors have reported; if the doctor does not believe the vaccine has<br />caused the reaction, he will not report it. It is suspected that just 10<br />per cent of all deaths and reactions from vaccines are ever reported; if so,<br />this means that 400 children have died from a vaccine and 21,000 have suffered<br />an adverse reaction in the UK alone. The true situation will be far worse<br />in countries such as the US where childhood vaccination is compulsory.<br /><br />Last month, the UK government was forced by a court to pay damages to a<br />mother whose son was left with severe brain damage after an MMR vaccination. <br />Another 500 similar cases are currently going through the UK courts.<br />These figures represent a major setback in the relationship between doctors and<br />parents. Most parents have accepted the reassurances of doctors and<br />health authorities that the vaccines are safe, and that they are doing the best<br />for their child and the community.<br />Now, if things go wrong, they may be less inclined to believe the doctor’s<br />denials that the vaccine is to blame.<br />(Source: Sunday Times, October 24, 2010).<br />Pharmascientisthttp://www.wwww.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-9719256957609356242012-08-16T15:17:31.600-04:002012-08-16T15:17:31.600-04:00Is there a connection: infant vaccinations and mit...Is there a connection: infant vaccinations and mitochondrial injury/disease ?<br /><br />http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/mitochondrial-faq.htmlPharmascientisthttp://www.wwww.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-90652765793292648582012-08-16T15:12:14.632-04:002012-08-16T15:12:14.632-04:00Hi Chris, i am here again, as year ago. I have cat...Hi Chris, i am here again, as year ago. I have catched up with your posts on internet, you have my big respect, but pls, be polite. Also Caterine, ScienceMom and Sullivan. This blog is is very good (if you dont erase my posts with the scientific citations/evidences, savvy?)<br /><br /><br />So the anons are not me, i have come back only yesterday, otherwise i was posting only to Wakefield thread year ago. So i will use my nick Pharmascientist.Pharmascientisthttp://www.wwww.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-15107854995340546422012-08-16T14:34:23.203-04:002012-08-16T14:34:23.203-04:00Exactly. Prof. Walker-Smith got a reprieve becaus...Exactly. Prof. Walker-Smith got a reprieve because he claims he was deceived by Wakefield. If exonerating Walker-Smith removes the entire GMC ruling, then Wakefield would have been added back to the medical registered. As that has not been done, Wakefield cannot practice medicine in any country.<br /><br />It is this blind faith of Anonymous, who cannot even check out the simplest facts, is evidence he/she cannot think for him/herself.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14428361191787397415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-33146205814407002922012-08-16T14:21:02.609-04:002012-08-16T14:21:02.609-04:00nowhere :)nowhere :)Catherinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580939201909356691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-3954664019861805012012-08-16T14:14:36.203-04:002012-08-16T14:14:36.203-04:00No, seriously. Tell us what in a vaccine is more t...No, seriously. Tell us what in a vaccine is more toxic than tetanospasmin? Or to help you... tell us what in the vaccine is more toxic than pertussis toxin or diphtheria toxin.<br /><i>as a pharmaceutical scientist myself, i am not dumb, </i><br /><br />Well, if you are same Anonymous, then you are not demonstrating much intelligence. That includes your lack of use of actual English grammar and punctuation, your cut/paste drivel, and your choices of "citations."<br /><br />If you are a "pharmaceutical scientist" then you would no trouble telling us exactly how much more dangerous the "toxins" in the DTaP vaccine are worse than the toxins created by the bacteria that cause diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis. Something you so far failed to answer. And if you really are a "scientist" you would know how to use a real citation by posting the title, date, and journal of the PubMed indexed paper supporting your statements.<br /><br />Oh, and don't bother citing any of Dr. Chris Shaw's papers. He has been found out to be both incompetent and not very truthful after he showed up in the comments <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2012/08/09/a-sad-premature-death-cynically-used-by-antivaccinationists-to-attack-gardasil/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. He also pulled a "Brave Sir Robin" disappearing act.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14428361191787397415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-3734546277842765732012-08-16T14:04:13.770-04:002012-08-16T14:04:13.770-04:00I doubt Dr. Offit would get much from your ramblin...I doubt Dr. Offit would get much from your ramblings. You have shown you cannot write coherently (paragraphs are your friends), have a closed mind, do not know any of the basic science, cut/paste stuff from dubious sources, and that you cannot even think for yourself.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14428361191787397415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-84272610128137321062012-08-16T14:00:33.114-04:002012-08-16T14:00:33.114-04:00Where is Andrew Wakefield allowed to practice medi...Where is Andrew Wakefield allowed to practice medicine?Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14428361191787397415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-59792289683574320142012-08-16T13:59:09.307-04:002012-08-16T13:59:09.307-04:00What vaccine in the present American pediatric sch...What vaccine in the present American pediatric schedule is <b>only</b> available <b>with</b> thimerosal? Please be specific, and don't mention influenza because half of those approved for children do <b>not</b> have thimerosal.<br /><br />And this bit is getting old, like a decade out of date. If SafeMinds could not find a vaccine with thimerosal over ten years ago, why do you go on about it?<br /><br />See:<br /><br /> Subject: Thimerosal DTaP Needed<br /> From: Sally Bernard <br /> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 00:01:50 -0400<br /> Yahoo! Message Number: 27456<br /> Onibasu Link: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/27456.html<br /><br />Hi all:<br /><br />A group of university-based researchers needs several vials of the older DTaP vaccine formulations which contained thimerosal for a legitimate research study. If anyone knows an MD who might have some of these vaccines or knows where to get them, please email me privately.<br /><br />Thank you.<br /><br />Sallie Bernard<br />Executive Director<br />Safe Minds<br /><br /><br />Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14428361191787397415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-55139711795228315972012-08-16T13:56:01.324-04:002012-08-16T13:56:01.324-04:00Thanks for corrective information on tetanus, i ha...Thanks for corrective information on tetanus, i have used second hand quotes, copy/paste. <br /><br />as a pharmaceutical scientist myself, i am not dumb, i agree on the necessities of vaccines, but please, again, to apply them past 2-3 year of age, or make them safe (multivalents are not safe).<br /><br />so vaccine yes, bur more safe. to disregard the vaccine damage in the age 0-3 years is disgrace.<br /><br />i have spoken with infectious disease/vaccine expert prof., and there is a possibility to addjust the vaccine calendar and spare the infants, i.e. to vaccinate past 3 years of age.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com