tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post4839029875997764321..comments2024-02-25T14:33:37.251-05:00Comments on Just the Vax: And another SSPE case: Angelina is dyingjustthevaxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07081499341191718417noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-66787297406558011742016-01-31T03:34:20.314-05:002016-01-31T03:34:20.314-05:00so what was your citation for the thousands of cas...so what was your citation for the thousands of cases of SSPE that used to happen? If the vaccine insert says do not vaccinate if already had wild measles because of risk of SSPE that is what it means. For you to speculate because you don't like that correlation is whitewashingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-55597631880904839732015-08-31T10:02:54.458-04:002015-08-31T10:02:54.458-04:00Does vaccination protect otherwise against SSPE?
Y...<i>Does vaccination protect otherwise against SSPE?</i><br />Yes it does when given prior to exposure/infection.<br /><br /><i>SSPE is even listed as an adverse effect on the product insert of the Merck MMR-II vaccine: https://www.merck.com/product/...</i><br />No it isn't, learn to read a package insert. It is merely reported as such.<br /><br /><i>So in fact giving her the MMR was a likely factor in her developing SPPE</i><br />No, it isn't a factor at all considering only wild-type measles virus genome has been recovered from SSPE victims and not vaccine strains.<br />Science Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08832263571481452559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-79808682377105742252015-08-30T15:35:26.170-04:002015-08-30T15:35:26.170-04:00What is your evidence? Explain why she would have...What is your evidence? Explain why she would have received the vaccine several months before it is usually given.<br /><br />Also, Thingy, there is no evidence that the MMR causes SSPE. Plus getting measles as a baby (which is what they are at seven months) is the most likely cause. <br /><br />Go away Thingy.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14428361191787397415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-51822967855865537112015-08-30T03:40:01.856-04:002015-08-30T03:40:01.856-04:00what you have left out here is that Angelina was g...what you have left out here is that Angelina was given the MMR at 11months. This was 'after' she had safely already had measles and recovered and therefore already had life long immunity. At 7 months, when she contracted measles she was too young to have the vaccine anyway.<br />Does vaccination protect otherwise against SSPE?<br /><br />SSPE is even listed as an adverse effect on the product insert of the Merck MMR-II vaccine: https://www.merck.com/product/...<br /><br />So in fact giving her the MMR was a likely factor in her developing SPPEAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-67535811837655123692014-03-28T23:20:19.682-04:002014-03-28T23:20:19.682-04:00Anonymous is clueless about SSPE, because confirma...Anonymous is clueless about SSPE, because confirmation of SSPE is only obtained by a brain biopsy or a postmortem testing of brain tissue, which was not done in either case.<br /><br />http://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/complications.html<br /><br />"....All of the genetic analyses of viral material derived from brain tissue of SSPE patients have revealed sequences of wild-type measles virus, never vaccine virus. There is no evidence that measles vaccine can cause SSPE. Cases of SSPE in patients who have a history of measles vaccination but no knowledge of having had measles either had an undiagnosed rash illness or possibly a mild measles infection early in life due to the presence of maternal antibody. Therefore, physicians should consider SSPE in the differential diagnosis of encephalitis even when the patient does not have a history of measles...."<br /><br />When you come up documentation of a brain biopsy or postmortem testing of brain tissue from a SSPE patient, that has been diagnosed as being caused by the strain of measles contained in measles vaccine, and that has been published in a first tier, peer reviewed medical journal, come back here to provide us with the citation and the link to that citation.<br /><br />Bye-bye anonymous.liladynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-17729619256741822582014-03-28T04:05:23.878-04:002014-03-28T04:05:23.878-04:00I clicked through to those NCBI papers.
The first ...I clicked through to those NCBI papers.<br />The first one said "who developed SSPE presumably as a result of a delayed effect of measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine."<br />Operative word "presumably", and it dates from 1997.<br />The second one, from Israel, involves "a 16-year-old boy who manifested the disease despite proper vaccinations." Once again, that doesn't mean the vaccines caused the SSPE. In fact, he was 16. Also "Immunoglobulin G antibodies against measles were strongly positive, with a high relative cerebrospinal fluid/serum ratio." He could have caught the measles despite being properly vaccinated. It happens sometimes.<br />You have nothing, Anonymous. All you have are two cases where the vaccine might, and I stress <i>might</i>, have caused the SSPE. But given that the one case dates back to 1997 and wasn't replicated, and the other has a plausible alternate explanation, you don't have a leg to stand on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-27128012914614475112014-03-27T22:35:02.607-04:002014-03-27T22:35:02.607-04:00I am not wrong, here is an 'official' case...I am not wrong, here is an 'official' case on a goverment site, SSPE can be caused by vaccination too! <br />http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9567594/<br />http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21555060/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-84129232773279459782014-03-26T11:54:51.207-04:002014-03-26T11:54:51.207-04:00Anonymous: realfoodeater blog? You must be kiddi...Anonymous: realfoodeater blog? You must be kidding.<br /><br />Try this science blogger and his analysis of realfoodeater.<br /><br />http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/more-measles-myths/<br /><br />liladynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-7687592454864733772014-03-26T03:11:33.525-04:002014-03-26T03:11:33.525-04:00not the place for anti-vaccine insanitynot the place for anti-vaccine insanityCatherinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580939201909356691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-70355077317449554802014-03-25T23:43:26.343-04:002014-03-25T23:43:26.343-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-89805233317781089062014-03-25T12:10:08.039-04:002014-03-25T12:10:08.039-04:00The plural of anecdote is not data. The plural of anecdote is not data. Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14428361191787397415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-78319171286735336312014-03-24T23:06:16.841-04:002014-03-24T23:06:16.841-04:00http://realfoodeater.com/measles-from-mmr/http://realfoodeater.com/measles-from-mmr/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-3363099625517731262014-03-24T18:55:44.227-04:002014-03-24T18:55:44.227-04:00You quoted Whale.to - you automatically fail.....You quoted Whale.to - you automatically fail.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-83721177755600569282014-03-24T18:55:41.984-04:002014-03-24T18:55:41.984-04:00And again you are wrong, has we have pointed out s...And again you are wrong, has we have pointed out several times before to some anonymous person:<br /><br />Int J Epidemiol. 2007 Dec;36(6):1334-48. <br />Review of the effect of measles vaccination on the epidemiology of SSPE.<br /><br />J Infect Dis. 2005 Nov 15;192(10):1686-93. <br />Subacute sclerosing panencephalitis: more cases of this fatal disease are prevented by measles immunization than was previously recognized.<br /><br />By the way, posting to John Scudamore's whale.to site invokes <a href="http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Whale.to#Scopie.27s_Law" rel="nofollow">Scopie's Law</a>: <i>In any discussion involving science or medicine, citing Whale.to as a credible source loses you the argument immediately... and gets you laughed out of the room.</i><br /><br />In general it is not a good idea to use a farmer who thinks "cloud buster", or balls on copper pipes, will protect one from satanic ley lines. <br />Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14428361191787397415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-60368315857238846872014-03-24T17:22:19.450-04:002014-03-24T17:22:19.450-04:00actually the vaccination DOES cause SSPE
http://ww...actually the vaccination DOES cause SSPE<br />http://www.whale.to/vaccines/sspe1.html<br />http://www.whale.to/m/christien.html<br />more cases<br />http://www.whale.to/v/mmr101.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-3451402217658398162014-03-22T05:50:35.458-04:002014-03-22T05:50:35.458-04:00Sharon - I am so sorry to hear about your brother&...Sharon - I am so sorry to hear about your brother's illness. It is indeed a miracle, since nearly all SSPE patients die, even if it sometimes takes many years (Max was very ill for 10).<br />I am glad you and your kids are vaccinated now. We know for a fact that MMR does not cause SSPE. In the time where measles still circulated, some babies had measles subclinically/undiagnosed and then got vaccinated and when they developed SSPE, even doctors thought that was due to the vaccine. However, at autopsy, the virus found in the brains of such patient has always been wild virus, never the vaccine virus.<br />All the best to your brother :)Catherinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580939201909356691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-71148391221742554602014-03-21T18:18:48.886-04:002014-03-21T18:18:48.886-04:00My brother has SSPE and I think he's somewhat ...My brother has SSPE and I think he's somewhat a walking miracle. He got measles when he was 2....in 1960. the virus stopped at the midline in his brain for some unknown reason. He had a hemispherectomy in 1989 when he had become toxic on phenobarbital and the quality of life was worth the risk for my mom. <br />I was born in 1969 right as my brother's paralysis was setting in (again his body gave a very slow reaction to the SSPE) My mom chose to not vaccinate me for measles because she had met people who did get SSPE from the vaccine (again the vaccine in the 60's, not today) I did get the MMR shot when I was in college and all of my children are vaccinated. SSPE is a horrible disease--we are very lucky that the Dr. was able to cure my brother (with surgery) but he is a rare case.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06490918916899708911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-34732908014912794232014-03-12T06:54:06.573-04:002014-03-12T06:54:06.573-04:00Ou furst son, stil 7 weeks before he was due to be...Ou furst son, stil 7 weeks before he was due to be paid, died 5 days after BCG; now they do not let children who are premature, immunosuppressant, or colic and digestive disorders, and encephilitis was nt listed as a side effect. We were ignore, and put dow as anxious patients, until at 6 weeks gestitation (when they apologised) his brother showed thesame traits - they let him be carried until jus over 2 weeks before his EDD - and they no longer ignored us. Himself and his siblings were given more precautionary care and the rules changed to prohibit stupid deaths which had they tken our concerns about his fever seriously would have prevented their big brothers death..Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16509493796109850756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-44508190068279822092013-12-30T05:37:18.593-05:002013-12-30T05:37:18.593-05:00The stupid!!! It burns!!!!
Have you looked up how...The stupid!!! It burns!!!!<br /><br />Have you looked up how many people die of vaccine preventable diseases like rabies, measles, pertussis, etc today? Look it up on the WHO website.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-32962175212078865042013-11-17T09:35:59.772-05:002013-11-17T09:35:59.772-05:00Anonymous: read this before making another blunder...Anonymous: read this before making another blunder like the one you just made:<br /><br />http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/6mishome.htm<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-5081155728858558942013-11-06T02:26:07.196-05:002013-11-06T02:26:07.196-05:00Cecily - I am so sorry to hear about your daughter...Cecily - I am so sorry to hear about your daughter's fate, which is so typical for SSPE (the early infection, the 7 year delay, the ~4 year decline). Hopefully, spreading Laine's/your story and that of Angelina and Micha and Natalie will change some parents' minds and save them (and their neighbours) the heartache of losing a child in this cruel way!Catherinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580939201909356691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-90392174150214387022013-11-04T06:25:37.551-05:002013-11-04T06:25:37.551-05:00I can't even reply to something as silly as yo...I can't even reply to something as silly as your post.Chiarihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11979645560873062958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-39225853290699724722013-11-04T05:27:56.330-05:002013-11-04T05:27:56.330-05:00sadly my daughter Laine died from SSPE....she caug...sadly my daughter Laine died from SSPE....she caught measles at 10 1/2mths old....would have been immunised at 12 mths....gifted 'normal' child until 7 1/2 years old.....blind, unable to talk or walk,....died at 12 years of age.....sad, cruel disease!!!<br />Cecily Johnsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-27987905249221399222013-03-04T11:11:18.542-05:002013-03-04T11:11:18.542-05:00Thank you Catherina.
Thank you Catherina.<br /><br />liladynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-30208349054765673432013-03-04T05:02:43.714-05:002013-03-04T05:02:43.714-05:00Thingy's in the spam, where she belongs.Thingy's in the spam, where she belongs.Catherinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580939201909356691noreply@blogger.com