tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post3514793637683759823..comments2024-03-25T03:28:44.234-04:00Comments on Just the Vax: Disneyland Measles Outbreak is Due to Measlesjustthevaxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07081499341191718417noreply@blogger.comBlogger192125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-28221219900864554932020-02-19T08:37:01.367-05:002020-02-19T08:37:01.367-05:00https://jcm.asm.org/content/55/3/735
These were si...https://jcm.asm.org/content/55/3/735<br />These were simply vaccine recipients that experienced mild symptoms related to the vaccine and the PCR test identified them as such so they weren't counted as infected. The vaccine virus was not ever transmitted in spite of what anti-vaxx conspiracy mongers say.<br /><br />https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1119899/<br />This is kind of a weird one since we have genetic tools to definitively identify measles genotypes. It is either a measles strain or something else coincident with measles infection which wouldn't be at all unusual since measles is highly immunosuppressive and allows for secondary infections.<br /><br />http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1273613.stm<br />Well it's pretty much what it states, that if measles are allowed to circulate, particularly in areas where vaccine coverage is less than adequate, they will gather mutations that will allow the virus to escape neutralisation.<br /><br />https://www.researchgate.net/publication/315720277_Antigenic_Drift_Defines_a_New_D4_Subgenotype_of_Measles_Virus<br />Same deal and particularly a concern with global travel.Science Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08832263571481452559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-81849205370624645762020-02-19T08:25:37.687-05:002020-02-19T08:25:37.687-05:00Sorry this took so long but I hadn't updated t...Sorry this took so long but I hadn't updated the blog in a while and was cleaning house to release comments. Not every case is going to have specific genotype information unless there is something unusual, like a vaccine strain. There were no vaccine strains related to the outbreaks.Science Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08832263571481452559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-696845571606832422019-09-06T01:09:11.254-04:002019-09-06T01:09:11.254-04:00In your piece you mentioned:
Measles genotype in...In your piece you mentioned:<br /><br />Measles genotype information was available from 9 measles cases; all were genotype B3 and all sequences linked to this outbreak are identical.<br /><br />What about the 100 other plus cases, with respect to this incident?<br /><br />I ask becauase I want to understand why the information available was so limited.<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05062067278052433716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-89123226798981184942019-07-09T05:06:04.224-04:002019-07-09T05:06:04.224-04:00Science mom, I realize this is an old comment thre...Science mom, I realize this is an old comment thread, but could you please address the following study?...<br /><br />“During the measles outbreak in California in 2015, a large number of suspected cases occurred in recent vaccinees. Of the 194 measles virus sequences obtained in the United States in 2015, 73 were identified as vaccine sequences. About 38 percent of suspected measles cases in the 2015 Disneyland measles cases in California were actually vaccine-related and not caused by transmission of wild-type measles.” “Rapid Identification of Measles Virus Vaccine Genotype by Real-Time PCR”<br />https://jcm.asm.org/content/55/3/735<br /><br />And what are your thoughts on the following articles?...<br /><br />“Scientists investigating an outbreak of encephalitis among adults in the town of Siliguri, in West Bengal, told the health ministry this week that the disease was caused by a mutant measles virus that affects the brain, lungs, or kidneys. This is India's third outbreak since 1998 of a highly fatal illness involving the brain or the kidneys and attributed to the measles virus.” “Indian scientists warn of mutant measles virus”<br />https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1119899/<br /><br />“The patients from whom the samples were collected had been suffering from acute renal failure, neurological disorders and encephalopathy, These are new symptoms for measles, the new measles strain has not been causing the typical rash.” “Mutant measles strains hit nation”<br />https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/pune/Mutant-measles-strains-hit-nation/articleshow/41498121.cms<br /><br />“Mutant variants of the [measles] virus are now circulating in Africa. They are resistant to half of the antibodies that humans produce when vaccinated.” “Super-measles warning”<br />http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1273613.stm<br /><br />“The measles virus hemagglutinin (MeV-H) protein is the main target of protective neutralizing antibodies. Using a panel of monoclonal antibodies (MAbs) that recognize known major antigenic sites in MeV-H, we identified a D4 genotype variant that escapes neutralization by MAbs targeting the neutralizing epitope (NE) antigenic site. By site-directed mutagenesis, L249P was identified as the critical mutation disrupting the NE in this genotype D4 variant. Forty-two available D4 genotype gene sequences were subsequently analyzed and divided into 2 groups according to the presence or absence of the L249P MeV-H mutation. Further analysis of the MeV-N gene sequences of these 2 groups confirmed that they represent clearly definable, sequence-divergent D4 subgenotypes, which we named subgenotypes D4.1 and D4.2. The subgenotype D4.1 MeVs were isolated predominantly in Kenya and Ethiopia, whereas the MAb-resistant subgenotype D4.2 MeVs were isolated predominantly in France and Great Britain, countries with higher vaccine coverage rates. Interestingly, D4.2 subgenotype viruses showed a trend toward diminished susceptibility to neutralization by human sera pooled from approximately 60 to 80 North American donors. Escape from MAb neutralization may be a powerful epidemiological surveillance tool to monitor the evolution of new MeV subgenotypes.” “Antigenic Drift Defines a New D4 Subgenotype of Measles Virus”.<br />https://www.researchgate.net/publication/315720277_Antigenic_Drift_Defines_a_New_D4_Subgenotype_of_Measles_Virus<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-29997587146994655092018-02-27T10:20:28.937-05:002018-02-27T10:20:28.937-05:00That terrible idea is what caused ~4,000-5,000 dea...That terrible idea is what caused ~4,000-5,000 deaths/year in the U.S. just due to measles prior to widespread vaccine use. That's what you want? Because the mortality rate hasn't improved any. Herd immunity via natural infection doesn't protect the susceptibles that enter the population each year. The evidence that getting the vaccine is better than getting measles naturally is that children no longer die of measles and measles-related disease and they don't suffer measles-related sequelae. The risk of adverse reactions from the vaccine are far fewer and less severe. It's a no-brainer.Science Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08832263571481452559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-34718745108199598542018-02-10T09:53:56.249-05:002018-02-10T09:53:56.249-05:00What if someone is unvaccinated but already got th...What if someone is unvaccinated but already got the measles naturally? <br /><br />Any thoughts on why the vaccine doesn't protect 10% of the population? <br /><br />Would it be better for the unvaccinated to throw measles parties like they did in the 50s so that everyone gets measles and develop lifelong immunity for the herd immunity? Basically expose any unvaccinated who isn't immune compromised. What evidence is there that getting the vaccine is better than getting measles naturally? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-74323295750721798592017-09-18T14:03:42.562-04:002017-09-18T14:03:42.562-04:00Measles, also known as rubeola, is a highly infect...Measles, also known as rubeola, is a highly infectious disease. It’s caused by a virus, and can be prevented by effective vaccination. The adult form is more severe than when children acquire it, and the infected adults would end up feeling way worse.<br />Most people get better within 2 weeks. But measles can sometimes cause dangerous problems, such as lung infection (pneumonia) or brain swelling (encephalitis). In rare cases, it can even cause seizures or meningitis.<br />http://bit.ly/adultmeasles <br />Kumudini Sandeshahttp://bit.ly/adultmeaslesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-23099405092852962942017-01-13T22:57:53.478-05:002017-01-13T22:57:53.478-05:00WTF are you talking about? I didn't say that....WTF are you talking about? I didn't say that.Science Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08832263571481452559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-38901690895051704022017-01-13T12:30:53.977-05:002017-01-13T12:30:53.977-05:00"It was not a "laughable", mild chi..."It was not a "laughable", mild childhood illness 50 years ago and it isn't now. That is an ignorant thing to say. Right out of the anti-vaxx playbook." Science mom, You are an idiot. I had measles some 50 years ago. Most everyone of my age did. Stayed home from school for a week, and then all was back to normal. Forever, because we develop a natural immunity. No big deal, and more than can be said for autism, which can and does happen in some vaccinated people. Then silly you blames the anti-vaxxers for bringing back measles which was "eradicated"... Oh LOL. Measles doesn't just develop out of thin air. Even the un-vaccintaed has to get it from somewhere. Where oh where might it have come from? Perhaps those dopes shedding the virus from the vaccines? Bingo! Enough of YOUR twaddle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-78301374405057113362016-02-16T10:51:30.986-05:002016-02-16T10:51:30.986-05:00Too funny - so where are all those "strains&q...Too funny - so where are all those "strains" causing outbreaks?<br /><br />The vaccine does cover all of them & for you to think otherwise, just shows how ignorant you are.Lawrencenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-56972643838986800082016-02-16T00:58:13.281-05:002016-02-16T00:58:13.281-05:00Wrong Lawrence....there are 23 distinct wild measl...Wrong Lawrence....there are 23 distinct wild measles viruses buzzing around...the vaccine only targets 1. Better duck down buddy.....the other 22 are gunnin' for ya!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07495370037724849260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-14132267128930409562015-10-04T23:34:46.215-04:002015-10-04T23:34:46.215-04:00Word salad? Check
All Caps? Check
Ad Hominem? Chec...Word salad? Check<br />All Caps? Check<br />Ad Hominem? Check<br />Pharma Shill Gambit? Check<br />Irrelevant Copypasta? Check<br /><br />Got my anti-vaxx nutter bingo card filled.<br />Science Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08832263571481452559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-87786200447342933782015-10-04T22:16:00.748-04:002015-10-04T22:16:00.748-04:00If this isn't pure "paid shill troll"...If this isn't pure "paid shill troll" speak; nothing is.<br />"dilettante"<br />"erroneous claims"<br />"twaddle"<br />"wah you're a meanie"<br />These are scripted terms used by tools such as "Science Mom" (probably a childless guy) trying to discredit absolute facts<br /><br />These paid shill trolls love to spew nonsense by using scripted words and terms that belittle and criticize; all while trying to sound "intelligent" What a joke.<br /><br />Re just ONE concern of dozens re vaccines that is never addressed by these tools (like "Science Mom") who imply "all is well" and "nothing AT ALL to worry about"<br />From the CDC Website<br />These precautions and all additives should be CLEARLY and OBVIOUSLY available; but they are NOT<br />----------------------- WARNINGS AND PRECAUTIONS------------------------<br />• Administration of ProQuad (dose 1) to children 12 to 23 months old who have not been previously vaccinated against measles, mumps, rubella, or varicella, nor had a history of the wild-type infections, is associated with higher rates of fever and febrile seizures at 5 to 12 days after vaccination when compared to children vaccinated with M-M-R® II and VARIVAX® administered separately. (5.1, 6.1, 6.3)<br />• Use caution when administering ProQuad to children with a history of cerebral injury or seizures or any other condition in which stress due to fever should be avoided. (5.2)<br />• Use caution when administering ProQuad to children with anaphylaxis or immediate hypersensitivity to eggs (5.3) or contact hypersensitivity to neomycin. (5.4)<br />• Use caution when administering ProQuad to children with thrombocytopenia. (5.5)<br />• Avoid close contact with high-risk individuals susceptible to varicella since transmission of varicella vaccine virus may occur between vaccinees and susceptible contacts. (5.8)<br />• Defer vaccination for at least 3 months following blood or plasma transfusions, or administration of immune globulins (IG). (5.9, 7.1)<br />• Avoid using salicylates for 6 weeks after vaccination with ProQuad. (6.1, 7.2, 17)<br />• Avoid pregnancy for 3 months following vaccination with measles, mumps, rubella, and/or varicella vaccines. (8.1, 17)eirescotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12694258030751507225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-79397883415158168422015-07-22T06:12:04.630-04:002015-07-22T06:12:04.630-04:00You want insults? - I would suggest you start with...You want insults? - I would suggest you start with your own house: https://www.facebook.com/groups/VaccineResistanceMovement/<br /><br />The only time I'll "feel better" is when anti-vaxers look in the mirror and realize the kind of misinformation they spread has a direct (and negative) impact on the health of children across the country.Lawrencenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-23164620925790853282015-07-21T22:35:06.753-04:002015-07-21T22:35:06.753-04:00Pro vaccine people sure know how to be pretentious...Pro vaccine people sure know how to be pretentious with their name calling and insults, it seems like they care more about alienating people, instead of trying to understand them, so they can feel better about themselves while they preach to the choir. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-8314233767614967872015-07-07T01:17:43.781-04:002015-07-07T01:17:43.781-04:00Heh, whiny anonymous you don't know what bully...Heh, whiny anonymous you don't know what bullying is if you can't take some pointed criticism and it's shameful you would co-opt such a serious problem such as bullying to bemoan your scientific illiteracy. Humphries indeed, another dangerous dumbass who thankfully doesn't have much of a patient-base.Science Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08832263571481452559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-86657282818383170802015-07-03T00:14:45.728-04:002015-07-03T00:14:45.728-04:00"MISCONCEPTION #2. The majority of people who..."MISCONCEPTION #2. The majority of people who get disease have been vaccinated."<br /><br />Provide the PubMed indexed study by reputable qualified researchers that is true for measles. Make sure you understand it, because you certainly did not understand that archived CDC page. You seem to be too entrenched with the Nirvana Fallacy.<br /><br />And no, we do not care what <a href="http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2013/11/783-suzanne-humphries.html" rel="nofollow">Humphries</a> has to say.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14428361191787397415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-24170073892989513462015-07-02T21:32:07.384-04:002015-07-02T21:32:07.384-04:00Science Mom, Your ignorance, sarcasm and bullying...Science Mom, Your ignorance, sarcasm and bullying shows who is really the stupid one. The CDC admits that an average of 10% of the population will not develop and antibody response, termed non-responders, to a vaccine and this fact alone shows that even if 100% of the population was vaccinated with these dangerous products you would not be able to achieve your imagined herd immunity and your perceived protection. This page is currently being revised by the CDC, most likely to erase information just as the CDC removed the web page (when it gained too much attention) where the CDC finally admitted after 50 years that the polio vaccine was contaminated with SV40 Cancer virus which is being passed down from generation to generation causing cancer in us and our children, all for the mighty dollar http://web.archive.org/web/20130522091608/http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/updates/archive/polio_and_cancer_factsheet.htm<br /><br />MISCONCEPTION #2. The majority of people who get disease have been vaccinated.<br /><br />"This is explained by two factors. No vaccine is 100% effective. Most routine childhood vaccines are effective for 85% to 95% of recipients. For reasons related to the individual, some will not develop immunity. "<br /><br />https://web.archive.org/web/20140811204758/http://www.cdc.gov/VACCINES/vac-gen/6mishome.htm<br /><br />Listen to dr. Suzanne Humphries, Nephrologist, Vaccine researcher and historian explain that the SV 40 Virus is being transmitted <br /><br />1. Horizontal Transmission - from one individual to another in the same generation (peers in the same age group). Horizontal transmission can occur by either direct contact (licking, touching, biting), or indirect contact air – cough or sneeze<br /><br />2. Vertical Transmission – Passed from parent to child in utero.<br /><br />https://kpfa.org/player/?audio=184162 <br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-56297245686106428732015-07-01T19:42:08.605-04:002015-07-01T19:42:08.605-04:00"Lawrence, I guess the irony here is the gela..."Lawrence, I guess the irony here is the gelatin anaphylactic child could develop immunity if he/she caught the actual disease with less risk, compared to being left more vulnerable if exposed as an unprotected adult."<br /><br />Do tell how that child is better with the disease than the MMR. Provide the PubMed indexed studies that there is a significant population of such children and that they commonly react worse than actually getting the disease.<br /><br />Also, the way to keep such vulnerable people from getting measles as an adult is to maintain community immunity to measles. If the disease does not circulate, then they can't get it.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14428361191787397415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-13922347094154771592015-07-01T14:59:09.714-04:002015-07-01T14:59:09.714-04:00Lawrence, I guess the irony here is the gelatin an...Lawrence, I guess the irony here is the gelatin anaphylactic child could develop immunity if he/she caught the actual disease with less risk, compared to being left more vulnerable if exposed as an unprotected adult.<br />"Adults more commonly have (death) encephalitis, hepatitis, hypocalcemia, or pancreatitis after measles. The increased severity of measles in adults most likely reflects the decline in cell-mediated immunity that begins in adulthood.Okada et al.found that young infants and adults have more severe and a longer duration of lymphopenia after measles than do children."<br />http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/189/Supplement_1/S4.long<br />Hopefully there will be some sort of safe vaccine developed for him/her before he/she reaches adulthood.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-2940856445010318102015-05-12T19:46:04.199-04:002015-05-12T19:46:04.199-04:00http://www.cdc.gov/measles/lab-tools/genetic-analy...http://www.cdc.gov/measles/lab-tools/genetic-analysis.html<br /><br />While there may be different genotypes, they all belong to the same Serotype, which is covered by the vaccine - hence, a person is protected.Lawrencenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-40660803440275478002015-05-12T11:25:21.063-04:002015-05-12T11:25:21.063-04:00Question, and I apologize if its already been answ...Question, and I apologize if its already been answered in the comments above. <br /><br />I realize the Disneyland outbreak wasn't the vaccine strain, but how does the vaccine protect us from all the other measles strains if the vaccine is only for genotype A? If Disneyland was B3, and we vaccinate for A, are we still protected?<br /><br />Thanks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-6747148599845583202015-05-01T01:24:33.101-04:002015-05-01T01:24:33.101-04:00Hi Pamela Ojeda my name is Gloria and I am a stude...Hi Pamela Ojeda my name is Gloria and I am a student. Do you know if there is any research done on the bodies natural immune system in terms of what the limitations need to be in the production of vaccine in order to maintain the bodies natural immune system? TIA <br /><br />BTW I like the way you are looking at researching vaccinations and taking into account other qualitative factors besides the crunching of numbers for facts. I agree there is still alot more to be understood especially in looking at effects in the long term. You might be interested in Professor James Beeson from Burnet institute Australia who is working on a malaria vaccination if not already known. His findings are very interesting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-1418261729524480172015-04-02T17:38:47.226-04:002015-04-02T17:38:47.226-04:00Anonymous, Prager is a scientifically-ignorant dil...Anonymous, Prager is a scientifically-ignorant dilettante who thinks citations compensate for his weak and erroneous claims. I don't have time for such twaddle. As for you, would you like to post a particular criticism other than, "wah you're a meanie"? I know that the pertussis jab doesn't prevent transmission given it's a toxoid vaccine but that doesn't mean you make the leap to vaccinated are more dangerous than unvaccinated because it simply isn't true. Unvaccinated are 23 times more likely to be infected and fully symptomatic than vaccinated. Also, vaccinated are less likely to spread the disease to distal contacts. Please get your facts straight if you want to try and lecture me on vaccine effectiveness.Science Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08832263571481452559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-52111490363446722502015-04-02T00:54:44.014-04:002015-04-02T00:54:44.014-04:00That link that you provided about pertussis vaccin...That link that you provided about pertussis vaccine does not state what you think it states. How about reading your own link? <br /><br />What the link actually states is that an individual should not assume they or their children have lifelong immunity against the pertussis bacterium (whether or not the immunity was conferred by contracting and recovering from pertussis or immunity conferred by having had the complete TDaP vaccine series in early childhood). That's the reason for the development of the Tdap booster vaccine before entry into 7th grade and for all pregnant women during each of her pregnancies.<br /><br />http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/about/causes-transmission.html<br /><br />See the Vaccine Information Statement for the Tdap booster and those recommendations, plus recommendations for adults who expect to have contact with an infant:<br /><br />http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/vis/vis-statements/tdap.pdf<br /><br /><br /><br />http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/about/causes-transmission.htmlliladynoreply@blogger.com