tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post4210688863411949169..comments2024-03-25T03:28:44.234-04:00Comments on Just the Vax: Pharma Shill Gambit? You Lose.justthevaxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07081499341191718417noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-56901992369438651702016-01-02T00:39:11.248-05:002016-01-02T00:39:11.248-05:00Laura, Anti-vaxx strategy is to shift the goal-pos...Laura, Anti-vaxx strategy is to shift the goal-posts every time their argument is refuted so there is no way you can win on that front. What you can do is put the ball in their court and ask for evidence to support their claims. By the way, Chiropractors do not have medical degrees by any stretch of the imagination let alone any education in the scientific disciplines required to "trump" the consensus.Science Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08832263571481452559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-79067577571145649812015-12-29T15:27:40.903-05:002015-12-29T15:27:40.903-05:00Thank you! Although, I find at this point the ant...Thank you! Although, I find at this point the anti-vax people I have to interact with shy away from the autism thing now. It's a whole long list of other stupid things... Like, the human DNA can cause autoimmune disease, the egg ingredient can cause egg allergies, vaccines alter the balance of the immune system by decreasing th1 cells which leaves the person open to illness... toxins, toxins, toxins... Every time I dig up research that disproves the supposition, the research is written off because of how it was funded. Even if it was funded by the CDC/etc. then it still isn't good because the government is in big pharma's pocket... Honestly, I pretty much give up. I'm most frustrated because the person I argue with the most is a family member and a Chiropractor so of course her "medical degree" trumps my intelligence and common sense. Laurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08645480370154357183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-85545288411188110062015-12-29T13:43:22.023-05:002015-12-29T13:43:22.023-05:00Laura, start here: http://justthevax.blogspot.com/...Laura, start here: http://justthevax.blogspot.com/2011/03/dr-bob-sears-alternate-reality-or.html<br /><br />I really like this one because it shows the level of dishonesty anti-vaxxers engage in.Science Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08832263571481452559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-9896195307772696272015-12-29T07:14:46.677-05:002015-12-29T07:14:46.677-05:00It is getting really frustrating to use scientific...It is getting really frustrating to use scientific arguments against the anti-vax arguments, only to have them tell you the research is bullshit because of who funded it. Is there a roundup of research that exists that was funded through grants or independent organizations? I just want something that can't be dismissed as a conspiracy theory. As ridiculous as that is.Laurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08645480370154357183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-2649602182132709982015-02-08T17:09:15.481-05:002015-02-08T17:09:15.481-05:00The irony!! "...should not be taken serious....The irony!! "...should not be taken serious...."<br /><br />You mean "seriously" right???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-39483501177575394202015-02-06T08:21:46.702-05:002015-02-06T08:21:46.702-05:00People that can't even use "your" an...People that can't even use "your" and "you're" correctly, should not be taken serious......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-23169323579216769512015-01-31T23:09:10.410-05:002015-01-31T23:09:10.410-05:00yeah, that's why my major depression being tre...yeah, that's why my major depression being treated by my psychiatrist worked and is the only thing that ever worked, and before you say that I'm making it up, imagine for a second a child in kindergarden crying for no reason brought up by a caring and loving family, that was me. I have a genetic predisposition towards depression and for the first time in my life feel fine. People like you are, as lawrence said either scientologists which has no scientific reasoning for anything, or completely unfeeling human beings. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-76388388924862242452014-08-30T01:36:08.581-04:002014-08-30T01:36:08.581-04:00Rebecca Estepp was a litigant in the Vaccine Court...Rebecca Estepp was a litigant in the Vaccine Court on behalf of her child who she claimed was "vaccine injured". The case was dismissed due to lack of evidence and lack of medical records for the child, presented by the litigant:<br /><br />http://www.cofc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/opinions/HASTINGS.ESTEPP022212.pdf<br /><br />I have great empathy for parents of special needs children. I have no respect for Rebecca Estepp and her ilk who maliciously attack high school students who have produced an excellent, extraordinarily well-researched film on vaccines.<br /><br />Don't even try to lecture me about autism and the non-existent link to vaccines. It's a fool's errand.<br />liladynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-78483539658552253392014-08-26T10:32:12.617-04:002014-08-26T10:32:12.617-04:00Vot, It is interesting how you believe that denigr...Vot, It is interesting how you believe that denigrating your own child is okay but pointing out that it is actually about the most disgusting thing on earth is bad. This lack of logic made me not want to trust another thing you said and after reading the rest of your post I realized that instinct was correct.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795018472494148149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-38131814940650097922014-08-26T10:30:35.649-04:002014-08-26T10:30:35.649-04:00Wow! I see why you hate psychiatry. It seems not...Wow! I see why you hate psychiatry. It seems not to have worked for you.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795018472494148149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-28966110632642493942014-08-26T08:44:16.950-04:002014-08-26T08:44:16.950-04:00That's about the strawiest strawman argument I...That's about the strawiest strawman argument I've ever heard. How about some statistics from the relevant time period that show a diagnostic equivalence between the pre and post vaccine periods? <br /><br />Specifically an equivalence between cases of asymptomatic, regression. Good luck with that.Vothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04715751005122434993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-55049657589365923152014-08-26T07:01:33.323-04:002014-08-26T07:01:33.323-04:00Imagine that - a bunch of wackos that oppose psych...Imagine that - a bunch of wackos that oppose psychiatry (including scientologists)......Lawrencenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-74703127771066717442014-08-25T14:37:10.244-04:002014-08-25T14:37:10.244-04:00So, those stories from Medieval Europe of babies t...So, those stories from Medieval Europe of babies that were "replaced by changelings" which sounds, through the descriptions, like regressive autism mean what, exactly? <br /><br />You really should read some real history - instead of relying on what the folks at AoA tell you.Lawrencenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-7676201346187803392014-08-25T12:11:27.986-04:002014-08-25T12:11:27.986-04:00"Rebecca Estepp? Just another anti-vaccine mo..."Rebecca Estepp? Just another anti-vaccine mommy, who refers to her autistic child as "vaccine-damaged"<br /><br />Typically "compassionate" provax assessment of a parent struggling with a cognitively damaged child, but we'll pass over your nasty, offensive attitude and deal with the facts.<br /><br />Autism was diagnosed in the forties by Leo Kanner, it was called "Kanner's Infantile Autism". An "infant" is a child below the age of one year old.<br /><br />Classical autism was symptomatic in infancy. Symptoms of vaccine damage become apparent, in previously asymptomatic children, after the administration of vaccines.<br /><br />Could it possibly be that because some of the symptoms of Autism are the same as those of vaccine damage, the medical establishment simply rebranded the damage that they'd done as "regressive autism", thereby absolving themselves of guilt and responsibility?<br /><br />Before vaccinations became routine, "regressive autism" was so rare as to be virtually unheard of, please don't confuse "regressive" with "retrospective" diagnosis, as I'm sure your going to do.<br /><br />So called "regressive autism" is almost entirely a phenomenon of the post mass-vaccination age. "Regressive autism" is a major contributor to the catastrophic rise in the incidence of autism in the post vaccine era.<br /><br />The medical establishment, despite flying a few kites, have not been able to provide a credible explanation for the post vaccine rise in "autism". Why would that be?<br /><br />"Regressive Autism" seems to me to be a medical fraud, invented to absolve the medical establishment of responsibility for its negligence. <br /><br />Vothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04715751005122434993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-57697739191671929982014-08-21T08:26:53.711-04:002014-08-21T08:26:53.711-04:00I suppose we can just invoke it when we are called...I suppose we can just invoke it when we are called pharma shills.Science Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08832263571481452559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-45080527719933277622014-08-21T08:26:04.695-04:002014-08-21T08:26:04.695-04:00Perhaps we phrase it similar to Godwin's Law, ...Perhaps we phrase it similar to Godwin's Law, except here we postulate that: <br /><br /> "As an online discussion of science-based medicine grows longer, the probability of a big pharma shill accusation approaches 1. **" <br /><br />**usually within a few postsChristopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05017940269859801483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3406721589945384372.post-91412838887786302262014-08-21T00:12:22.346-04:002014-08-21T00:12:22.346-04:00The ones that accuse us of being "pharma shil...The ones that accuse us of being "pharma shills" find it hard to believe that science bloggers and the individuals who post comments on those blogs, really care about infants and children.<br /><br />Dr. Bob Sears' Alternative Vaccine Schedule? He made it up.<br /><br />Rebecca Estepp? Just another anti-vaccine mommy, who refers to her autistic child as "vaccine-damaged".<br /><br />Sharyl Attkisson? A has-been journalist with a long history of promoting the pseudoscience agenda of the disgraced and discredited former medical doctor Andrew Wakefield. Her investigative journalism consists of rewording press releases that are handed to her. Ms. Attkisson ought to think twice before she labels Professor Reiss as being "deep in pharmaceutical propaganda-land".<br /><br />How do we enact "Orac's Law"?<br /><br />liladynoreply@blogger.com