Thursday, May 31, 2012

Ban Miracle Mineral Supplement

Emily Willingham, the Science Editor of Thinking Person's Guide to Autism has started a petition on Change.org to end the use and distribution of Miracle Mineral Supplement (MMS) as an autism treatment.  It sounds harmless but what MMS really is is an industrial strength bleach that is being given as drinks, baths and enemas to autistic children to "cure" them of the toxins, pathogens and parasites that they have (I hope the sarcasm was noted).

The issue has received much attention this past week as AutismOne, the quackfest of "autism treatments" featured Kerri Rivera who enthusiastically promotes MMS to be given to infants, children and adults to "treat" their autism even though the FDA released this warning almost two years ago.  In my opinion, anyone in attendance at that conference who did not speak out against this (and none did as far as I know) is guilty of promoting child abuse.  But then again, we are talking about a crowd who knows no depths when it comes to "curing" their "vaccine-damaged" children.  People who blithely announce they sprinkle an industrial chelator, OSR#1 on their children's breakfast foods or stem cells, chelation and an unimaginable aggregate of pharmaceuticals (for imaginary maladies), chelators, supplements and diets are not going to speak out against anyone who wants to give their autistic child a bleach enema.

There is a segment of the autism community who have utterly dehumanised their children and abuse them, their protestations of love aside.  This segment congregates at AutismOne for "support", back-patting and proliferating more and more outrageous "cures" and "treatments" for autism.  They need a wake-up call for what they are doing to their children and it's abuse.

Please sign the petition and share it with everyone you know.

57 comments:

  1. Signed and passed on.
    Kelly

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  2. Thank you so much for posting about this.

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  3. Thank you and Emily for the petition!

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  4. I sent a link to my letter to Kerri Rivera today. As yet no reply. We'll see...
    http://autismum.com/2012/05/30/re-uk-4-years-old-46-pounds/

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  5. Autismmum, I don't expect you will hear from Kerri "bleach the autism away" Rivera. But that was a nice letter and I think you are spot on about their attempts for ritual purification. Jenny McCarthy is now promoting saunas for your autistic child so it's no wonder she was more than happy to feature bleach enemas at her AutismOne conference.

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  6. Hi Science Mom, I share your frustration and desire for "something to be done" about abusive "treatments" for autism, but the answer is in the long haul: ending the idea that autism can be cured and is caused by extraneous factors, as Kerri Rivera believes ("Autism means that your child has virus, bacteria, Candida, inflammation, heavy metals and food allergies. ...")

    Today's post at The Clown Blog read in part,

    Sometime that night I saw a nasty article already on the Internet about Autism One. To start the conference, there was one slamming it and The Chicago Sun Times. Now to end it, there was one slamming it and the parents who attend.

    A blogger, who hadn’t attended the conference, but instead was regurgitating another blogger (who hadn’t attended the conference either), wrote an entire article about the inability to “bleach” the Autism out of a child. She was referring to MMS, a treatment being used for gut problems in some children that hadn’t even been presented yet. It was on schedule for the next morning.


    The author apparently was referring first to Seth Mnookin's criticism of the fawning Sun-Times article over Mother's Day, and second to Kristina Chew's post which quoted this post at length.

    So I wrote a roundup post of all the coverage of MMS as a cure for autism: http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_of_dreams/2012/06/miracle-mineral-solution-mms-as-an-autism-therapy-dangerous-quackery.html.

    I think most of the "isn't MMS great for autism" discussions are occurring on closed or private discussion boards that I don't have access to.

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  7. Hi Liz and all,

    I have had a look at the protocols (according to the interwebz). The enema really doesn't contain much of the MMS (3 drops MMS and 3 drops "activator" on 2 liters of DI water - the 2 l DI water in the gut is probably worse than the itty bit of bleach) - but the procedure, enemas, and so often, is mindbogglingly dehumanising. Of course, this is only directed at the "changeling", so s/he'll release the "lost child"... I cannot wrap my head around that.

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  8. Liz, we can't educate the uneducable. These beliefs are held so firmly, no amount of evidence to the contrary will convince them otherwise. I respectfully submit it's going to take legal, bureaucratic and medical policy changes to take these nostrums out of the hands of parents in order to protect children.

    Catherina, according to Rivera's protocol the enemas are 10-15 drops (a drop is about a mL) in 500 mL of water. Orally is more with increasing amounts. This is enough to cause damage to the epithelial cell lining at the very least. Of course she waves of the adverse reactions as 'it's working'. Gah, it's so disgusting.

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  9. Amanzo, mother of Liam (3)June 11, 2012 at 9:03 PM

    MMS is NOT bleach! If anyone would take the time to understand the chemistry behind the substance, you would have proper information to THEN evaluate. Chlorine dioxide is SAFE in the ways we use it with children and people. It is a compound produced by our immune system. Anyone who doesn't believe autism is an immune-disorder needs only see the lists of food sensitivity my child has. I will help restore my child's body to health - because I love him and want the best for his future. I believe in MMS and Kerri Rivera. Please research more before you sign this petition.

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    1. Then why is used to bleach wood pulp and other industrial uses?

      And what parent thinks it is a good idea to wake a child up very two hours for three nights in a row? Or that it is a good idea to give kids with sensory issues enemas for no good reason.

      Even without making the kids consume bleach (and it is bleach), that is still child abuse.

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    2. Amanzo, show me one peer-reviewed double blind study that demonstrates that CLO2 or MMS are effective treatments for autism. Kerri Riviera has NO medical background. When I see a bone fide biochemist, research physician, or other QUALIFIED scientist - one having a medical background - saying that these have benefit without harm, then I will take the claims more seriously. Belief is no substitute for evidence.

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    3. have any of you naysayers atually read the book on MMS?

      IT IS NOT BLEACH. chlorine dioxide is not bleach. look it up.

      The drug companies want you to think it is bad because it cures diseases, is easy to make, and would lose the trillions of dollars. Why would doctors support it? They are forever connected to the pharmecutical companies.

      chlorine dioxide is negatively charged and is attracted to other negatively charged things... parasites, pathogens, viruses.

      you're healthy cells are positively charged are therefor repel chlorine dioxide.

      after a couple of hours in your system, chlorine dioxide turns to salt and oxygen.

      if you say crap about MMS when you have NO knowledge or understanding, you are just as evil as the drug companies. No one has died from mms. How many people have died from prescribed drugs?

      If you don't believe the chemestry, believe the people who have cured themselves of parasites and cancer, the people whose lyme disease and aids once had them bed-ridden and now live pain free.

      Dont be a drone of the system you idiots.

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    4. Anon - if your heart and brain cells are consistently "positively charged" you are dead. Have a look how brain cells function here: http://psychology.about.com/od/aindex/g/actionpot.htm
      and heart cells function here:
      http://www.medic-ce.com/courses/39/slides/778
      Read and learn :)

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    5. Anonymous can also read here: http://justthevax.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-proof-that-mms-is-bleach.html to see how MMS is in fact, bleach.

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    6. but that is chemestry - much too complicated.

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  10. Amanzo, please let me take the opportunity to tell you what a glaring dunderhead you are. Read the following links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_Mineral_Supplement

    http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm220747.htm

    and kindly tell me how MMS isn't a freakin bleach. Tell me what classification of compounds it is if it isn't a freakin bleach. And while you're at it Ms. chemistry-challenged, tell me the metabolic pathway that chlorine dioxide is synthesised in vivo. You're bleaching your kid's insides, not "restoring his health". We HAVE read the relevant information about MMS and that's precisely why we ARE signing the petition. If you really loved your son you would put the bleach down and get some assistance immediately to help you and your son. Your son needs proper medical care, not some bitch peddling bleach.

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  11. Amanzo, mother of Liam (3)June 12, 2012 at 8:43 PM

    FDA? You mean the buddies of Big Pharm who profit from society being and staying sick? Please. I bet you also naively eat factory-farm meat and don't have a clue about e. coli. Probably where our kids got the parasites that are now coming out on an MMS/parasite protocol. If you'd like to see worm pics, I know moms who will gladly send them! But it looks like your team has found its 'facts' to propagate and follow and are unwilling to consider another perspective. Well, my team consists of proactive, reputable moms who report their hundreds of children are getting better day by day. I'll take that over the FDA any day. By the way, for the record, I want to add that my son is PERFECT. I love everything about him. If his body is not well, which has been my motherly instinct considering his mineral deficiencies, food sensitivities, candida yeast, and sleep disturbances despite healthy diets, then I will look into what helps his body so that his perfection can shine forth. I'm done responding to these blogs. I'd rather just be with my kids.

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    1. So you get back at society by feeding your kid bleach, even though he is perfect?

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    2. Also, you did not answer Science Mom's questions on how MMS is not bleach. Please do that.

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  12. FDA? You mean the buddies of Big Pharm who profit from society being and staying sick?

    The same FDA that allows you to jack up your child with bleach you mean? Find any factual flaw and we'll talk about them, or keep sounding like the daft shrew you are Autumn.

    Please. I bet you also naively eat factory-farm meat and don't have a clue about e. coli. Probably where our kids got the parasites that are now coming out on an MMS/parasite protocol. If you'd like to see worm pics, I know moms who will gladly send them! But it looks like your team has found its 'facts' to propagate and follow and are unwilling to consider another perspective.

    Considering I'm an infectious disease scientist and kind of a crunchy one at that, I've forgotten more than you'll ever know even with a lifetime at Google U. I told you, sloughed-off epithelial linings can look wormy. Did any of you brainwaves ever take your 'samples' to, oh say, a parasitologist? Your kid's don't have worms. Where are they coming from? Go ahead, have your samples tested by a university parasitologist and post the report. I dare you.

    Well, my team consists of proactive, reputable moms who report their hundreds of children are getting better day by day. I'll take that over the FDA any day. By the way, for the record, I want to add that my son is PERFECT. I love everything about him. If his body is not well, which has been my motherly instinct considering his mineral deficiencies, food sensitivities, candida yeast, and sleep disturbances despite healthy diets, then I will look into what helps his body so that his perfection can shine forth. I'm done responding to these blogs. I'd rather just be with my kids.

    What in the hell is a 'reputable mom'? Do you mean one of those like-minded abusive bitches who do horrible things to their children and claim they love them like you're doing now? I have to say too that you must have some real losers for husbands for letting this go on. Maybe if you didn't give your child anti-fungals for non-existent yeast infections and didn't bleach him for non-existent parasites and fed him properly with the assistance of a registered dietician he could sleep better and feel better. Just a thought.

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    1. "to end the use and distribution of Miracle Mineral Supplement (MMS) as an autism treatment"

      My question - who in the world PRESCRIBES MMS as a treatment? What's next - end the use and distribution of 409? Or Clorox? 'Cause it's flipping toxic even for anyone's skin (!!!).

      This is one of the DUMBEST articles I have yet to top off with anything else.

      But... On a positive note - when my wife was getting prepared for her third (!!!) surgery on her nose - she took MMS for two weeks. The blobs that came out from her nostrils were horrendous! Allergies? Sneezing 40-50 times in a morning - NO MORE!

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    2. You are fine using bleach for "allergies" but you are against it for an autism "treatment"? Who in the world would prescribe MMS for allergies?

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  13. Autumn Manzo, mom of Liam, 3, ASDJune 12, 2012 at 11:34 PM

    Ok, here's a little more about our story. We only did an anti-fungal for a few months (20-25 months of age). He had elevated liver enzymes at 25 months so I quit the anti-fungal against the advice of my DAN dr (I don't think they know it all, either, by the way). However my son has had two tests showing candida yeast overgrowth since. I've been using probiotics and GAPs to control yeast. It has decreased but is still present.

    We took milk out of his diet at 15 months and he began looking at us for the first time since a baby (prior to a dose of antibiotics at 9 months for strept, after which we saw a quick regression to autism). I also was on two different antibiotics nursing him the first month of his life - and he was also C-section, so I believe he never had the good flora develop in his gut, hence prone to a yeast imbalance. Since he was 25 months, my amazing husband and I decided to use GFCF as well as natural, preservative-free diet and some vitamin supplementation with my child and also get healthier ourselves. We eat 100% organic and my son loves most vegetables. Last year I successful treated two minor ear infections with garlic oil to avoid antibiotics. I now believe and practice natural child parenting, homeschooling and building trust with both my children to guide them to grow. I want both my children to blossom to their full potential. How can my son do that if he is sick? I wouldn't even care if he had autism the rest of his life - wonderful, awesome. I love him just as he is. However, I seek health for my family and clearly his body has been in balance. I plan to continue all I have done with the addition of MMS. I believe in the science behind MMS. I believe that MMS is helping him. If at some point I decide it isn't, I would stop. I trust myself and my ability to discern. I am with my kids all day. I am only seeing positive things two weeks into the protocol. My son spontaneously said, 'ba ba ba' for blueberries yesterday. He's been nonverbal other than unclear babble and vowel sound to get things the past year. SO...

    The most common 'bleaches' are: sodium hypochlorite, NaOCl, and calcium hypochlorite, Ca(OCl)₂. The agent we are discussing here is chlorine dioxide. MMS + citric acid = chlorine dioxide and table salt. OR: 2 NaClO2 + Cl2 → 2 ClO2 + 2 NaCl. The positive charged oxygen of ClO2 bonds to negatively charged pathogens, toxins, metals - NOT positively charged healthy tissue. The molecule is then neutralized and discarded through the body's natural detox system. NaCl, table salt, is a safe by-product. I took Chemistry I and II, this makes sense to me!!!!! The goal is to use MMS properly which is really an extremely low dose at a slow pace based on weight and avoid negative die-off reactions such as vomiting, diarrhea or even lethargy. The body has to be able to expel the bad stuff at a slower rate than the chlorine dioxide is neutralizing it.

    I believe I am doing nothing horrible to my child by helping his body detox - something our bodies are intended to do when in balance. I will not let me son's body be a host to parasite. And I'll send anyone a picture of the worms if and when they come out. Let's be more respectful on here, please. It would be nice to discuss this issues as mature, thinking adults.

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    1. I believe I am doing nothing horrible to my child by helping his body detox - something our bodies are intended to do when in balance.

      How do you "detox" by giving the kid industrial bleach? Seriously your sciencey explanation does not in anyway answer Science Mom's question. It is still bleach, and you are damaging tissue that you expose to that very caustic liquid.

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    2. Ms. Manzo: MMS + citric acid = chlorine dioxide and table salt. OR: 2 NaClO2 + Cl2 → 2 ClO2 + 2 NaCl.

      Where are the hydrogen and oxygen atoms in citric acid?

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    3. Holy shit that's some serious chemistry fail.

      Here's a clue for you Ms. Manzo

      2NaClO2 + Cl2 -> 2 ClO2 + 2NaCl

      There is NO CITRIC ACID IN THAT EQUATION.

      Cl2 is CHLORINE. It is an irritant, highly reactive and TOXIC in small doses.

      ClO2 is chlorine dioxide - it is INDUSTRIAL BLEACH.

      It is NOT a chelator, it will NOT remove heavy metals in that manner.

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    4. Just for posterity:

      Citric acid: C6H8O7

      Ms. Manzo, I suggest you take remedial chemistry if you can confuse chlorine Cl2 with citric acid.

      And please, don't homeschool.

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    5. Darwy, I was giving her the benefit of the doubt and thought it was C12 or twelve carbon.

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    6. Let me tell you from a critical thinking point of view re: " I believe in the science behind MMS. I believe that MMS is helping him." Evidence trumps belief every time. When I see your "testimonial" written up as a case study in a peer reviewed journal, then I'll start to take serious notice. Also, I suggest that you take serious notice from the ones versed in real chemistry who posted below. They are correct. And you might want to explain your statement "The positive charged oxygen of ClO2 bonds to negatively charged pathogens, toxins, metals - NOT positively charged healthy tissue." THAT ought to be interesting.

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  14. Ok, here's a little more about our story. We only did an anti-fungal for a few months (20-25 months of age). He had elevated liver enzymes at 25 months so I quit the anti-fungal against the advice of my DAN dr (I don't think they know it all, either, by the way). However my son has had two tests showing candida yeast overgrowth since. I've been using probiotics and GAPs to control yeast. It has decreased but is still present.

    Only for a few months and your surprised he had hepatotoxicity?! You stay with this quack when standard practice is to discontinue use. Furthermore, your child did not have "yeast overgrowth" that warranted oral antifungals, topical will do along with probiotics and if still in diapers, a barrier cream.

    I also was on two different antibiotics nursing him the first month of his life - and he was also C-section, so I believe he never had the good flora develop in his gut, hence prone to a yeast imbalance.

    This isn't rocket surgery you know; a reputable multi-strain probiotic and healthy diet will do.

    Since he was 25 months, my amazing husband and I decided to use GFCF as well as natural, preservative-free diet and some vitamin supplementation with my child and also get healthier ourselves. We eat 100% organic and my son loves most vegetables.

    Yea, if I was a sociopathic, narcissist and my husband catered to my whacked out selfish whims, I suppose I would say he's amazing too. I'm a localvore myself understanding that organic doesn't always mean better. Organic pesticides are nastier for humans than synthetic you know and furthermore, foolishly over-spending on organics that you don't need doesn't make you a better mummy.

    Last year I successful treated two minor ear infections with garlic oil to avoid antibiotics.

    Whoop de freakin doo. Considering about 80% of ear infections resolve on their own you were just fooled by your actions, just like you are with everything else to do to your child. I achieved the same result with doing nothing and my children didn't smell like aioli.

    I now believe and practice natural child parenting, homeschooling and building trust with both my children to guide them to grow. I want both my children to blossom to their full potential.

    Yet here you are proudly announcing how you are bleaching you child. That ain't natural. Please don't homeschool; I fear for your children's guaranteed ignorance if you do. But then again, I could see why an abuser like you would want to isolate them and keep them away from mandated reporters.

    How can my son do that if he is sick?

    Stop bleaching him and giving him unnecessary drugs?

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  15. I wouldn't even care if he had autism the rest of his life - wonderful, awesome. I love him just as he is.

    Um, he IS autistic, he doesn't HAVE autism. It's not a disease. If you think he is so wonderful and love him as is then why treat him like a parasite and fungal-ridden object as you do?

    However, I seek health for my family and clearly his body has been in balance. I plan to continue all I have done with the addition of MMS. I believe in the science behind MMS. I believe that MMS is helping him. If at some point I decide it isn't, I would stop. I trust myself and my ability to discern. I am with my kids all day. I am only seeing positive things two weeks into the protocol.

    There aren't variations of science like religion you get to pick and choose what to believe. There is zero evidence of benefit to MMS and all evidence of harm. There is no biological plausibility, particularly at the doses you give, to act as an anti-parasitic. Bleaching your kid isn't healthy no matter what you "believe" and believe me, you aren't qualified to discern the science-babble that Rivera has shined you on with from a kindergarten work sheet. Show me a controlled study that suggests any benefit to MMS.

    My son spontaneously said, 'ba ba ba' for blueberries yesterday. He's been nonverbal other than unclear babble and vowel sound to get things the past year. SO...

    Good on him. He would have probably done that sooner if you didn't abuse him on a daily basis.

    The most common 'bleaches' are: sodium hypochlorite, NaOCl, and calcium hypochlorite, Ca(OCl)₂. The agent we are discussing here is chlorine dioxide. MMS + citric acid = chlorine dioxide and table salt. OR: 2 NaClO2 + Cl2 → 2 ClO2 + 2 NaCl. The positive charged oxygen of ClO2 bonds to negatively charged pathogens, toxins, metals - NOT positively charged healthy tissue. The molecule is then neutralized and discarded through the body's natural detox system. NaCl, table salt, is a safe by-product. I took Chemistry I and II, this makes sense to me!!!!! The goal is to use MMS properly which is really an extremely low dose at a slow pace based on weight and avoid negative die-off reactions such as vomiting, diarrhea or even lethargy. The body has to be able to expel the bad stuff at a slower rate than the chlorine dioxide is neutralizing it.

    I'm really sorry you went to all of the trouble to write this out. I'll bet you are really impressed with yourself though; showing that meanie science lady a thing or two about your chemistry-fu. Except you fucked it all up spectacularly. You see in my basic chem classes, one of the first things I learned was how to balance equations. And in my intro biochemistry classes. I learned shit like how oxidising agents didn't have a specific affinity for just bad yucky stuff.

    I believe I am doing nothing horrible to my child by helping his body detox - something our bodies are intended to do when in balance.

    Of course you don't believe you are doing something horrible to him; that's one of the glaring problems with sociopaths like you. You want to help him "detox"? That's what he has a liver and kidneys for and make sure he has a healthy diet and drinks plenty of water. Cheap, easy and safe detox.

    I will not let me son's body be a host to parasite.

    Then keep yourself and your DAN! away from him.

    And I'll send anyone a picture of the worms if and when they come out.

    A picture is useless, I explained it to you. You need microscopy. I can show you a picture of something my kid pooped out that look like worms, except it was only banana fibres.

    Let's be more respectful on here, please. It would be nice to discuss this issues as mature, thinking adults.

    I'm not, nor ever will be respectful of people who abuse their children, especially special needs children. Besides, you are anything but a mature, thinking adult.

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  16. Science Mom... you REALLY need to get a clue !!!


    Miracle Mineral Supplement
    From Wikipedia, the "free" encyclopedia:
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_Mineral_Supplement

    I just sat down and read this article, and had to laugh.
    90 percent of their sources stating that MMS is bad, is just random articles written by newspaper journalists. o_O

    The newspaper articles does not give you any credible sources. All they give you is other peoples "bleachy" assumptions about what MMS is all about. After reading all the "source" material, I couldn´t find a single fact that sounded at all bad or dangerous, in relation to how we use MMS, and the dosages recommended by Archbishop Jim Humble, that is.

    The only thing I saw in the article I thought would be worth mentioning, is this line (or lie):
    "can cause fatal kidney failure.12"

    The only thing is, that source doesn´t even say that Sodium chlorite was fatal. (and the dosage used was outrageous. Nothing like the low dosage used when taking MMS as recommended by Archbishop Jim Humble.)

    It (12) says:
    1. The guy tried to kill himself and took a ridiculous amount of 10 grams!
    ("The patient was known to have ingested 10 g of sodium chlorite in a suicide attempt.")
    2. He was back up and walking after 3 months!
    ("After 3 months, renal function normalized.")
    3. To finish it all off:
    ("To our knowledge, there has been no clinical report of human intoxication with sodium chlorite")

    And to my personal knowledge,
    there has been no clinican report of fatal incidents with sodium chlorite what so ever.

    I just wanted to make that clear, to show you that whoever wrote that wiki article, is not at all in line with the truth, nor giving you any scientific fact that is actually relevant to MMS and how it is used.

    90% (or more) of the sources given by the writer(s) are simply news articles from newspaper journalists whom are parroting other "educated" people who gladly share their wild assumptions about what they believe to be nothing but industrial bleach, unless of course these "lettered" people simply write the article themselves, with no credible or relevant scientific evidence to back up what they are saying.

    And when they ARE using credible sources, those sources are actually stating something very different than the impression you are left with from the propaganda spewing writers themselves. For example the "can cause fatal renal failure" is simply a flat out lie. As you can read directly from the source, it was never fatal at all, and obviously not even relevant to Miracle Mineral Solution. Why? Because nobody (in this church) would be dumb enough to set up 10 grams of pure sodium chlorite as part of an MMS healing sacrament protocol.

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    1. Cripes you're an idiot. The wiki entry is using FDA, EMEA and published scientific studies along with news reports you twit. If you want to believe an idiot tosser like Jim Humble, knock yourself out and please remove yourself from the gene pool; you'll get no complaints from me. But if you are subjecting your children to this shit then you are a contemptible ditchpig who deserves to have your children removed from your care.

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    2. Forget the Wikipedia article for now, and focus on the science, as science. I think, as one who has taught philosophy of science in my logic courses (induction part) that Science Mom is on target in saying: "There aren't variations of science like religion you get to pick and choose what to believe. There is zero evidence of benefit to MMS and all evidence of harm. There is no biological plausibility, particularly at the doses you give, to act as an anti-parasitic. Bleaching your kid isn't healthy no matter what you "believe" and believe me, you aren't qualified to discern the science-babble that Rivera has shined you on with from a kindergarten work sheet. Show me a controlled study that suggests any benefit to MMS." She is talking - and rightly so - about double blind studies, with sound protocols, and - she didn't mention it, but I will - published in a reputable peer reviewed journal, where the experiment/study can be repeated independently, also in a double-blind controlled manner. Too, you name me any reputable published scientist who stands behind MMS and CLO2 as autism curatives. In general you need to get on the internet and research experimental protocols, scientific methods, and the like, and after reflection, you will see none of this is part and parcel of any MMS/CLO2 literature. Testimonials don't count. Beliefs don't count. Emotions don't count. EVIDENCE trumps these all.

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  17. I have never read such ignorant blasphemy. You are obnoxious, horribly wrong, and I feel sorry for your children.

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  18. Hello there. I have been actively researching MMS for over two years now and am still working to promote critical thinking about this dangerous scam. I run a website gathering all the information I can find and I've started making a few videos I hope will make people more critically examine the claims made by Jim and his supporters. I fully support what you are doing here.

    https://sites.google.com/site/mmsdebunked/

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    1. Thanks for your post. If I ever tech logic again and have a critical thinking/philosophy of science component, I will refer to your outstanding website. Incidentally, I especially like your statement that MDs are NOT research scientists. So true, and I can point even to a number of personal acquaintances of mine on this. Meanwhile, I am on a panel with two others at the IIIS conference (www.iiis.org) 13-17 November 2012 discussing critical thinking, and I am gong to bring this up as a case study. Also, I think you'd be interested in the IIIS, as we present on topics - such as peer review and information integrity, subjects I suspect are right up your alley.

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  19. I have used mms for years and for a variety of ailments with amazing results. I am tired of extremely uninformed people spreading the most vile of propaganda, to the result of mass death and disease caused by viral stupidity. Believe the mass murdering government if you like, and join the hundreds of millions dead as a result, or believe informed educated people who care for your wellbeing. Your choice. Not one death from properly using mms and MILLIONS of deaths from PHARMA drugs. what more evidence do you want that you people are seriously mentally ill and a serious threat to sane, rational human beings?

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    1. "Not one death from properly using mms" means that when someone dies that you blame your victim for using it wrong, while laughing your way to the bank,right?

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  20. @ Asbestos Spammer:

    We really don't care if you bleach yourself silly. What we care about is the use of MMS by parents, who are every bit as ignorant as you are, on their autistic children.

    These science illiterate parents view their children as parasite-infested dirty beings, who need to be *treated/cured* of their autism. They are no different than the deviants who grab kids off the street to satisfy their warped perverted sexual drive, to inflict pain on innocent captive children.

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  21. Oh my gosh, is MMS really this dangerous? Is it really an industrial strength bleach?
    Should I really fear what MMS is?

    Hmmmm, then how come chlorine dioxide, what MMS becomes once a food acid has been added, is approved by the FDA in US municipal water supply systems and the US food supply!

    Really, read up what chlorine dioxide really is, it is called a safe alternative to using chlorine in many municipal water supply systems, yet those who poo-poo what MMS is may be doing so while drinking chlorinated water from their water source, which is toxic!!

    If you are still eating food here in the US, it was sprayed with chlorine dioxide and if you drink water from many municipal water supply systems in the US and worldwide, you are also drinking some chlorine dioxide!! Here is a little chlorine dioxide education
    for you chlorinated water drinkers!

    http://www.frontierpharm.com/faqs.php

    >>> What's the difference between chlorine and chlorine dioxide?
    While chlorine dioxide (ClO2) has chlorine in its name, chlorine dioxide's chemistry is different from that of chlorine. Unlike the more common chlorine, chlorine dioxide, at appropriate concentrations, is non-mutagenic, non-carcinogenic, and relatively non-irritating. When ClO2 is added to water, it dissolves without ionizing. Or more specifically, when exposed to water, ClO2 does not release a chlorine atom to form hydrochloric acid as does chlorine, nor does it combine with organics to form chlorinated hydrocarbons, which are carcinogenic.<<<

    MMS is nothing more than "sodium chlorite.", when we add a food acid to it, such as citric acid, it becomes Acidified sodium chlorite solutions or chlorine dioxide. Now read in this link how your FDA allows this to be used on the US food supply, meats, fish veggies and fruits...

    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2007-title21-vol3/pdf/CFR-2007-title21-vol3-sec173-325.pdf

    And you think something that is so good for your food and water supply is dangerous for those with Autism, think again... I am hearing of good things in the Autism community about how MMS is benefiting kids with this disease, why would anyone want to take away something that works and is completely safe to use in small amounts!!

    There is a woman in Mexico doing good things with MMS for Autistic kids, she should be praised instead of shunned for her courageous work.

    I moderate a very large online Lyme support group, many using MMS are also showing positive results.. I too was concerned about MMS initially, but I took the time, researched and did my homework about MMS, today many on my group are benefiting from this wonderful and very inexpensive treatment.. I cured my 22 year bout of Chronic Lyme Disease using MMS. Why feed the Big Pharma machine when you can use a natural substance like MMS for just pennies..

    If you are successful in banning MMS from being used on Autistic kids, it is they who will suffer from this.. Shame, shame… JimJax

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  22. Brave Anonymous: "Hmmmm, then how come chlorine dioxide, what MMS becomes once a food acid has been added, is approved by the FDA in US municipal water supply systems and the US food supply!"

    It is the dose. Does your municipal water bleach your dark laundry?

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    1. Hello Chris,

      Thank you for mentioning about dose…

      Do you realize the average person using MMS to cure a chronic disease will use approximately one 4 oz bottle in 12 months… Can you imagine we use so little and benefit so much!

      Break this down and we use about 1 ounce every 3 months!! Pretty paltry, wouldn't you say.. But there is more! Since we use a minimum of 4 oz of distilled water with each 3 drops of MMS, this means we are also using 360 ounces of water every 3 months with that 1 oz of MMS!! Some even use more water!! So by the time we are done, this is one very weak MMS solution! Do you realize how small 3 drops is? Do you have a dropper bottle at home, put 3 drops in a glass and you will see just how little this is..

      Why are you stuck in the mud about MMS being industrial bleach? MMS is made from sodium chlorite which is nothing more than a salt based chemical.. We add in citric acid to this, the end result is chlorine dioxide, no bleach here.. Just a very good oxidizer, just like the oxygen that we breath is also a very good oxidizer, but not strong enough to kill many pathogens in us, but MMS is strong enough, yet get this, it is such a weak oxidizer, it can not harm the good bacteria in us, nor harm the body, it is just to weak..

      But for them much weaker bad bacteria, well it is goodbye for them.. MMS does a very effective job at oxidizing (killing) pathogens and heavy metals in our bodies, what's the harm of this! Sounds like the goal for most chronic disease cures wouldn't you say...

      http://www.livestrong.com/article/278640-what-is-sodium-chlorite/

      Adam Abraham, a natural health reporter seems to have a good understanding about chemistry, he is completely impartial, but has found MMS to be highly beneficial at at killing pathogens and oxidizing heavy metals.…

      Here is what he says about chorine dioxide:

      >>>But first, a little background on the chemistry.
      Chlorine dioxide and chlorine are not the same. Chlorine is a chemical element. In ion form, chlorine is part of common salt and other compounds, and necessary to most forms of life, including human. A powerful oxidizing agent, it is the most abundant dissolved ion in ocean water, and readily combines with nearly every other element, including sodium to form salt crystals, and magnesium, as magnesium chloride. You can’t have life without the chlorine ion. However, in the diatomic state, Cl2, chlorine is deadly.

      Chlorine dioxide is a chemical compound that consists of one chlorine ion bound to two ions of oxygen.<<<

      Where's the bleach! One chlorine ion bound to oxygen ions seems pretty harmless to me… AND most important, it is what MMS can do, kill pathogens, oxidize heavy metals and greatly improve or cure disease.

      Those with Autism could have a chance for better health using MMS, it seems this is already happening. Heck, even if chlorine dioxide was a bleach as you think, yet it is helping kids with Autism, isn't the end goal to improve their health and lives?

      But MMS is not a bleach, it is a small bottle of one of the best pathogen killers known..

      Take care,
      JimJax


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    2. @Anon - please explain the biological mechanism by which MMS is able to tell the difference between good stuff & bad stuff in the body, if it is a bleaching agent?

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  23. Anon is a "Lymie", can't expect much in the way of chemistry and maths there.

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    1. Science Mom-

      Never assume you can't expect much from a Lymie, we have a disease that once it becomes chronic, doctors and BIG Pharma are at a loss for effectively curing it.. Many after spending many thousands of dollars, some over $100,000 and no cure, turn to natural treatments. And Lyme can strike anyone, from a homeless person to the President of the US… President George W. Bush announced he had Lyme disease in 2006… Lyme can attack the most ignorant to the most brilliant in our society… You Science Mom are only one tick bite away from being infected with a disease that has affected millions in the US alone. And since you won't feel a tick's bite, you one day will become ill and there is a very HIGH CHANCE your doctor will not diagnose your Lyme in the acute phase of the disease, thus you will move on to the chronic phase of the disease and you may be ill for YEARS before you find you have chronic Lyme disease. Chances are high, no matter how many doctors you go to, you will not be properly diagnosed with Lyme disease, thus NO treatments given to you will ever cure you…

      Listen to President Bush in the Texas Governor's debate in 1994 and as Presidential debate in 2004.. There is a defined difference in his speaking, but not in the intelligence of the man. President Bush one the Presidency in 2004 and continued
      being President for the next four years, he was diagnosed in 2006, but clearly he had Lyme disease in 2004, thus he had chronic Lyme disease as President for the next four years..

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z12lrlNsjgQ&mode=related&search=

      If a President of the US can effectively run the country having chronic Lyme disease, I am sure you can understand that Lyme does not affect our intelligence, just our bodies.

      When I see many people who've had chronic Lyme for years/decades, who have not improved after spending all of this money on conventional antibiotic treatments, yet show improvements in just 4 - 8 weeks using MMS, it is always the end result of any product/protocol that says whether it is and effective treatment or not… What is paid to Big Pharma in the amount of many thousands of dollars and yields low to no results, should be where the real fear is.. One needs know nothing about chemistry or math to understand this.

      When I see such closed minded people turning a blind eye to a treatment (MMS) that is effective at improving and curing disease, I really feel very sorry for them, but far more so for the kids God has placed them.. A 4 ounce bottle of MMS and Citric Acid costs about $20 and many with Lyme and many other diseases will improve their health using this, up to a complete cure as I recently announced to my fellow group members. Compare this to conventional medical treatments costing over $100,000 and the person is just as sick or worse after spending all of this money, time and effort.

      Your comment of " Anon is a "Lymie", can't expect much in the way of chemistry and maths there," is a concern for me also because many Mom's who have kids with Autism also believe there is a direct connection between Autism and Lyme.. So when you speak ill of those with Lyme, you may also be speaking ill of kids with Autism who may also have Lyme.

      And when these Mom's show up on my Lyme support group, they are given the same kindness, empathy and sympathy as any new Lyme member gets from me and the rest of my group.

      http://lymedisease.org/news/touchedbylyme/lyme-autism-connection.html

      http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/09/27/doctors-find-link-between-lyme-disease-autism/

      http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/113734.php

      Compare
      http://www.lymeinducedautism.com/symptomchecklist.html

      Adam Abraham is a well known natural health reporter, this video may be of interest to you…

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TA8xtRv6c4

      Open you mind and your heart, closing your mind to anything that can help those stricken with Autism could mean a lost opportunity for better heath…

      Regards,
      JimJax

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    2. Where are your references? All you have are testimonials and biased websites, not really good evidence on your part, anonymous.

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  24. Hello again craxxy Lymie. George Bush did not nor has chronic lyme disease; he was treated and no sequelae. I have had lyme disease three times now; no sequelae.

    So how is MMS a natural treatment? And why the rail on evil pharma when your stupid "lyme doctors" prescribe long-term antibiotics? A bit hypocritical there. But hey, if you want to bleach yourself up; go for it. I have no problem with adults voluntarily removing themselves from the gene pool. Children are off-limits however.

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  25. Methylated b vitamins, medicinal strength probiotics, mms, vit a, nattokinase, vit k2, amino acids. Autistic mothers are trying to help their children. Be careful what you say to a person who has been fighting to help their " sick child". Because they are sick. Some of you sound as if you want them to stay sick, as i believe our government does. If you do not believe in depopulation through contrived illness then you are niave. I suggest reading hulda clarks research on what causes cancer. May you all fight to save your lives because no one else will.

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    1. Hulda Clark died from cancer.

      And making kids drink bleach is not a good idea. To much vitamin A is dangerous, eating polar bear liver has killed people.

      "If you do not believe in depopulation through contrived illness then you are niave."

      That is a ridiculous "belief." The facts show that family size goes down when the chance of a child living to adulthood increases.

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  26. There was no biopsy, inconclusive on hulda clarks death. Is this blog run by the fda or the illuminate. Ive detoxed hundreds of flukes and ascaris from my "autistic" son, whom you guys think can never be healed. I guess you think he's better off with his whole body being drained by parasites, and yes i know they are parasites. And they were not all eliminated with mms, so its not epilithial lining science mom. And seriously one person lived off polar bear fat for years and died from vit. A. How many people are dying daily from cancer. Get rid of your parasites people because you all have them,.

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    1. Why should we believe you, oh so brave Anonymous?

      You could be making up a story as original as your username. It means nothing unless you have verifiable scientific data, something you seem to lack in spades.

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    2. How about looking at Hulda Clark's Death Certificate which lists "multiple myeloma" as the cause of death?

      You do know, don't you, that multiple myeloma is cancer?

      Here, Orac quotes verbatim from Hulda Clark's own website (since removed), about her diagnosis of multiple myeloma as the cause of her death:

      http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/10/27/requiem-for-a-quack-part-ii/

      I feel so sorry for your child, because you are an ignorant individual who suffers from delusional parasitosis and a child abuser.

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  27. This blog is officially a science free zone. I am all for substantiated claims about treatments. But I am also all for rebuttals that rely on sound facts, reasoning and reproducible evidence.

    I like conclusions based on reason. So why does this blog not qualify.

    1. The FDA warning about MMS warns about the grave consequences of taking MMS, nausea, diarrhoea and dehydration. What garbage!

    First their source is reports from consumers, I call anecdotal evidence. Don't get me wrong, stories are an important source of information to guide further research. But if you are going to get on your high horse about scientific rigour, you have to actually do some real, repeatable science first.

    The metabolites of MMS (what is left after it breaks down) is sodium, you know, that stuff we get from... salt. The body eliminates it easily as urine, no harmful side effects there.

    The FDA warns of loose stools, well I guess that rules out prunes, Epsom Salts, and all those big drug company branded laxatives.

    Nausea, hundreds of things cause that, food, drugs, plastics, if you get an effect, just back off, no harm no foul. We don't need the FDA to protect us from nausea. (They did such a bang up job with Vioxx)

    Dehydration? MMS is a diuretic? Any science to back that up. I wasn't aware that not drinking enough water had a specific cause. Maybe I could stop drinking water and blame it on my dental floss. Is that random enough for you?

    Life threatening low blood pressure. Thats just dehydration warmed over. The FDA warning is totally without merit except.

    None of this provides evidence in support of MMS. But that was not the purpose of this blog. The purpose of this blog was to give reasoned information. BIG FAIL

    As for the innuendo regarding bleach, try this. Chlorine is the active ingredient in bleach. It is ingested in cooking water, drinking water, inhaled in showers, eaten in salt, and absorbed through the skin when swimming.

    If Michael Phelps isn't dead, I don't think the MMS body count is going to become a big concern any time soon.

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    1. So what science have you provided for the efficacy and safety for MMS?

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  28. I did not even read all the comments, but just to say, so what if it's called "bleach" if it functions in our body in a beneficial way? Ozone is also known as "poison" and environmental pollution, but it has tremendous healing properties when used in a right way. I have used both and I am still alive. I cured my mold allergy with ozone rectal insufflation and MMS has cured diverticulis from my mom just in few days, in shorter time than she usually takes antibiotics for the same illness.

    MMS has some side effects like decreasing the iodine levels in long cures(many weeks long), but that is minor thing comparing to the benefits.

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  29. Anonymous you clearly didn't read the article either. MMS will kill the epithelial layers it comes in contact with. That is not beneficial in any way. If you think ozone is in any way therapeutic then it's no wonder you would use bleach internally. MMS doesn't cure diverticulitis either; people like you shouldn't be self-medicating.

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