naw, not really.
Then again, members of that anti-vaccine group that made Dr Bob Sears their administrator tell me that he is not posting there anyway, so the Parents and Others against Vaccination are probably just trying to artificially blow up their "legitimacy" (look, we have a real MD).
Then again, members of that anti-vaccine group that made Dr Bob Sears their administrator tell me that he is not posting there anyway, so the Parents and Others against Vaccination are probably just trying to artificially blow up their "legitimacy" (look, we have a real MD).
I love the scare quotes around science. I guess it's still a foreign concept to him.
ReplyDeleteEw...what would cross a Wakefield with to make a Dr. Bob?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.ageofautism.com/2013/08/dachel-qa-dr-michael-schacter.html#comments
ReplyDeleteSchachter is responsible the death of Joey Hofbauer. Like all child killers, he should be ignored.
DeleteThe same goes for ex-doctor Wakefield who made claims about measles vaccination without evidence.
If the MMR vaccine causes autism, where is the evidence that autism went up in the USA during the 1970s and 1980s. The USA is a much larger country than the UK, and was using the MMR for almost two decades before the UK.
Schacter has been commenting at AoA and showing up on other blogs, recently. Chris and I ran into him on The Harvard Law Review, commenting about the debate of holding parents who opt of vaccines, responsible for the costs of care when it can be proved that their deliberately unvaccinated child infected another child, who was either too young to be fully immunized…or a child who had a valid medical contraindication for not being vaccinated.
DeleteThere’s a very “interesting” background story about Dr. Michael Schacter and his involvement in a court case which resulted in the death of a child from Hodgkin’s disease.
Dr. Offit discussed the case (actually devoted a large portion of his book “Do you Believe in Magic”, to discussing the Hofbauer case in his cancer quackery chapter). Dr. Schacter was the metabolic doctor who treated the youngster when the parents were charged with medical neglect.
The child was taken from New York, after his PCP made a complaint that the parents of Joseph Hofbauer refused to take him to an oncologist. The child was started on Laetrile and when they returned to NY State, in spite of many motions and appeals, the parents had their child returned to their custody, with the provision Joseph’s care would be monitored by Dr. Schacter. The child died from Hodgkin’s disease, while under the metabolic doctor’s care:
http://virtualmentor.ama-assn.org/2006/10/hlaw1-0610.html
r Schachter wrote:
ReplyDeleteSome people post that all doctors oppose the notion that vaccines have anything to do with autism and how can they all be wrong and Jenny be right? All doctors DO NOT OPPOSE THE VIEW THAT VACCINES MAY CONTRIBUTE A LOT TO THE EPIDEMIC OF AUTISM. Many of them quietly and privately express this view, but keep quiet out of fear of sanctions by the medical community, state regulatory agencies or their academic employers. Pharmaceutical companies play a prominent role in supporting medical organizations, politicians and the media. It takes a brave soul to oppose the prevailing view that "we have no idea what causes autism, but it certainly has nothing to do with vaccines."
One clear casualty of the possible vaccine-autism link has been Andrew Wakefield MD, who in an excellent journal research article about 15 years ago, merely suggested that there might be a link between the MMR vaccine and autism and that further research should be done.
Many of them quietly and privately express this view, but keep quiet out of fear of sanctions by the medical community, state regulatory agencies or their academic employers.
DeleteOf course, invoke a persecution scenario to delude yourselves into believing that you have MDs on "your side". Well you're wrong. Physicians don't get sanctioned by anyone for even more egregious offences than opposing vaccines. Dr. Sears and Dr. Gordon are good examples of this. Name one physician who was ever sanctioned for opposing vaccines Anonymous.
"One clear casualty of the possible vaccine-autism link has been Andrew Wakefield MD, who in an excellent journal research article about 15 years ago, merely suggested that there might be a link between the MMR vaccine and autism and that further research should be done."
ReplyDeleteYou lie and so does Wakefield. A few of the many quotes from Wakefield at his many press conferences and other public statements...courtesy of Left Brain/Right Brain:
http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2012/05/08/andrew-wakefields-many-statements-that-mmr-causes-autism/
Do I detect smelly socks? The Troll who has been haunting Orac's blog for months, is now fixated on Dr. Schacter.
ReplyDeleteHi!
ReplyDeleteI don't know which is the best way to ask, but I would love to see a comment on this article (http://rawforbeauty.com/blog/one-of-the-most-inexcusable-vaccine-revelations-of-all.html).
I have some friends who totally believe this and I would like to be able to provide solid arguments to refute it.
Thanks!
See http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/04/05/the-resident-anti-vaccine-reporter-at-cb/
DeleteThe "homologous recombinaltion tiniker" is hilarious.
Plus there is lots more fail on that page. The big thing you can ask your friends is how they would prevent congenital rubella syndrome, which disabled and killed tens of thousands of babies in the early 1960s. They need to provide a proven way to prevent the diseases.
Thanks! I think it helped a little, although this friend of mine is still shocked with the idea of human cells being used in the production of vaccines. Sigh... They are not happy if it's chicken, not happy if it's human, not happy if it's a live virus, not happy if it's artificial. There is no pleasing these people!
DeleteBecause viruses have very small simple genomes, they can only reproduce in certain types of cells.
DeleteIf a virus only infects humans, it may only grow in human cell. Some cell lines were derived from aborted babies about fifty years ago, at about the time rubella was killing many real babies. Many were aborted due to the fear of Congenital Rubella Syndrome.
Some of the "aborted fetuses" were already stillborn, but had to be removed. Some women have been known walk around with dead fetuses in their bodies for years. Yet, many were excommunicated for having the dead babies surgically removed.
If your friends have a better idea on how to prevent Congenital Rubella Syndrome, other than the MMR vaccine, please share it with the rest of us.
By the way I have I learned much about viruses, and their finicky ways, by listening to a podcast about viruses:
http://www.twiv.tv/
Those cell lines have just continued, no more babies were aborted. Ask which is better, to depend on thos fifty-plus cell lines, or risk measles, mumps or rubella?