A couple of days ago, this meme started making the rounds through the internet:
Strange - I have a friend who had the same experience with measles and pertussis (I think it was even third grade that he missed), but he is pro-vaccine as a result. Tenpenny on the other hand is convinced that if a study looked at the "tens of thousands" of unvaccinated children and compared, say, days missed from school, it would find that unvaccinated children miss less school, and that would be a sign that "the unvaccinated kis are healthier" (1:49). Then again, she did miss third grade, because she "was sick, and it was good" (1:55). Or maybe she just is "not a scientific researcher" and does "not know how to set all these things up" (2:01). Listen for yourself:
Strange - I have a friend who had the same experience with measles and pertussis (I think it was even third grade that he missed), but he is pro-vaccine as a result. Tenpenny on the other hand is convinced that if a study looked at the "tens of thousands" of unvaccinated children and compared, say, days missed from school, it would find that unvaccinated children miss less school, and that would be a sign that "the unvaccinated kis are healthier" (1:49). Then again, she did miss third grade, because she "was sick, and it was good" (1:55). Or maybe she just is "not a scientific researcher" and does "not know how to set all these things up" (2:01). Listen for yourself:
I don't think she has time to set up studies surrounding vaccinations... her schedule is rather full speaking to legions of antivaxxers where she can hawk her DVDs for $29.99 a pop and where she can sell a range of supplements for as much as $68 for a single bottle which can be found at health food stores for roughly a third of that cost.
ReplyDeleteQuite a little racket she has going on here - and science would only serve to harm her image, so why bother?
Racket?? LOL. Vaccine companies will profit 16 billion this year giving our babies unnecessary Hep B shots. And Tenpenny is earning $29.99. LOL
DeleteAnd thousands of people in the USA will undergo cancer treatment for liver cancer caused by hepatitis B. Something you prefer to ignore.
Deletealso, vaccines are an investment with known return (in prevented disease costs).
DeleteWould love to see that citation for the HepB vaccine...since the entire vaccine market is barely that large.....
DeleteIt is interesting to see comments from blathering idiots who don't know anything about the subject but wish to make themselves relevant through useless posts.
DeleteDo your own research. Big Pharma is driven by money not success.
Success = profits, right?
DeleteBad medicine = lawsuits & bad PR
Plus, these companies are monolithic entities controlled by computers, these researchers and scientists have families too - do you really think they would be part of some conspiracy to hurt people?
Seriously, anti-vax people need to get a better grip on reality.
"It is interesting to see comments from blathering idiots who don't know anything about the subject but wish to make themselves relevant through useless posts."
DeleteIs the the same brave Anonymous who asked for "non-statistical" studies on the other thread?
"Do your own research. Big Pharma is driven by money not success."
Okay, help us here. Show is verifiable proof that "Big Pharma" gets less money by the treatment of diseases than preventing them with a few vaccines. It should be along the lines of this economic study:
Pediatrics. 2014 Apr;133(4):577-85.
Economic Evaluation of the Routine Childhood Immunization Program in the United States, 2009.
Prove to us that it is better to let kids get sick enough to require hospital care, or that they miss weeks of school.
Look at all of our vaccinated children. They have terrible allergies. Autism. Epilepsy. So Ohhh okay they work. To keep the Masses buying more drugs just to feel good. Yes makes sense? Get a grip DRUGS are no good! How about cleaning up farming and giving us good food to put in our bodies? Hmm !
DeleteI hear Ya nah lets just make more Money to hell with the health of people, pets, livestock, the earth. Very Sad that Money is the only thing that Matters!
What a silly claim with no evidence to back it up. In fact studies that have examined aspects of your silly claim have found that children with autism are less likely to have been vaccinated when they have an older sibling who is autistic and unvaccinated have more allergies and asthma than vaccinated children.
DeleteSad that someone would believe anti-vax nonsense without a single supporting citation.....
DeleteI wanted to see what the actual numbers are for hepatitis B and liver cancer. Turns out Chris was VERY conservative in his original response:
DeleteThe American Cancer Society’s estimates for primary liver cancer and intrahepatic bile duct cancer in the United States for 2015 are:
* About 35,660 new cases (25,510 in men and 10,150 in women) will be diagnosed
* About 24,550 people (17,030 men and 7,520 women) will die of these cancers
http://www.cancer.org/cancer/livercancer/detailedguide/liver-cancer-what-is-key-statistics
Worldwide, chronic infection with hepatitis causes 80% of all primary liver cancers and more than 500,000 people die each year from this lethal cancer. Currently, primary liver cancer has a 5-year survival rate of only 10%.
http://www.hepb.org/professionals/hepb_and_liver_cancer.htm
So glad we made the decision to vaccinate our daughter.
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DeleteHep B is a sexually transmitted disease. The ONLY ways a baby can get Hep B is if one parent has Hep B, if you live with someone who has Hep B, or if you share a razor or toothbrush with someone who has Hep B. Neither my husband nor I have an STD, therefore we did not vaccinate our son for Hep B. I would prefer to keep the metals out of his body, and I don't think every baby needs this vaccination.
DeleteWrong, wrong, wrongety wrong.
DeleteIf people were eating healthier diets and keeping their liver clean and detoxed to begin with, there wouldn't be all that cancer growing in the liver. Seriously! It looks like someone here needs to study cellular health and functional medicine. I have seen many cancer patients go on a vegetarian diet, find herbs and alternative protocol to detox and really clean out the liver. They are cancer free today. Too many pharmaceutical companies want people to rely on them instead of learning how to live a healthy lifestyle. It is all about the money in the end. And look who is making the most and is in control of the healthcare laws. Seriously! Someone needs to open up their mind and start understanding health from a functional medical stand point. But, from many of the comments here, I would say many are pretty hard headed and won't listen to the research (And, yes there is research to support those folks out there trying to make sense of the vaccine dilemma) I didn't put my name on here because it wouldn't matter anyway. So don't jump on the bandwagon about me being Anonymous.
DeleteDear brave Anonymous, what kind of dressing do you want on your argument from blatant assertion word salad?
DeleteAnything "Science Mom" says can be assumed to be a lie. She is a paid shill troll who's only interest is in money. Read about what a "paid shill troll" is by simply Google-ing it and all will become very clear.
DeleteTypical - scripted - tactics these paid shill trolls use are "prove it" and outright lies to get you to believe them.
Research how many times a lie has been spewed by these criminals and it will be clear that it's easy for them to do.
As a start; consider "Second Opinion: Laetrile at Sloan-Kettering" It should make anyone so pissed and disgusted; and to realize that you CANNOT trust what Pharmaceutical companies, the FDA, the Government and many other "high profile" pricks tell you. Consider ALL the lies from these types of people and then consider who you should be listening to for facts.
Dr. Tenpenny set up an alias account on Facebook. After being banned from her Vaccine page for posting the truth I wrote this to her alias user John Smith: Sad, you asked for a single example of a vaccine that had succeeded. I gave you your life free to walk unencumbered by Polio, your jaw free to chew cured of Tetanus (lockjaw) and the world without a single case of Chicken Pox. Because I show the effectiveness of vaccines on a site dedicated to future pestilence and dead children, I was banned and my posts deleted. In a world where truth is an ignorant collective banter welcome what you seek in the rows of dead children in the cemeteries before 1940. The doctors now see diseases in this country that they had never seen in their residency and had only read of in their textbooks. Just the same I guess it is your living to kill children.
DeleteSalks polio vaccine infected its victims with cancer
Delete(Eddy 1961 PMID 13725644)
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Caused paralysis in its victims
(Wade 1972 PMID 4333172)
Pub Med numbers are medical citations and are easily varified
The first citation is in rodents. The second citation looks like an editorial comment. They are both just titles, no abstract. Though we can definitely see second citation is in "News and Comments", so is definitely an opinion piece and not a study on polio vaccine.
Delete"Pub Med numbers are medical citations and are easily varified"
Not really. Not everything indexed on PubMed are medical studies, sometimes they are just comments.
I believe there could be vaccines without the killer additives. You can research many dedicated scientists and doctors who will tell you about the details of vaccines. Yes we have less children dying of polio and mumps. whatever ....but look at the stats on children dying of cancer that never did before. The scarey thing is that California I believe has a bill 277 that forces people to be vaccinated!! When freedom of choice is taken away we are in big trouble. Watch for the freedoms being taken away which is a larger issue.
Delete"I believe there could be vaccines without the killer additives."
DeleteThen gather up your evidence, write it up in a paper and then submit it to a peer reviewed journal. Come back later to tell us all about it.
"... I believe has a bill 277 that forces people to be vaccinated!!"
No it does not. It just restricts access to schools to those who are vaccinated, to protect the ones who cannot be vaccinated due to medical issues. A parent does have to vaccinated their children, they just have to homeschool them.
It is just a public health policy, just like the ones that require homes to have a way to deal with sewerage by either connection to a public system or maintaining an up to code septic system.
All the people longing for the "good old days" when food was "natural" and there were no vaccines or drugs...are you also longing for the "good old days" when there were plagues and shorter life spans?
Delete'and the world without a single case of Chicken Pox'? since when? it's a regular occurrence here in the uk where it's not vaccinated against.
Delete"it's a regular occurrence here in the uk where it's not vaccinated against."
DeleteThat is an issue you need to bring up with the UK's health policy wonks. Though, you can get the varicella vaccine if you pay for it.
Chris...SV 40 is a virus found from 1940 to 1955 that gave people a cancer causing virus in the Polio vaccine
DeleteArgument from blatant assertion does not work here. Provide the actual scientific evidence to support that cancer was caused by the polio vaccine.
DeleteIf you are honest you will see it is not so easy to determine. It is also the reason Hayflick worked to get a cell line that would not have such issues. For more detail read The Vaccine Race by Meredith Wadman.
Nurse C, why should I believe you when you listed the wrong years?
DeleteThanks for your post Lowell Kevin Hubbs.
ReplyDeleteHow's your treatment for ETOH abuse...working out for you?
That is the most confusing way to type ethanol. Try this: etOH.
DeleteThe lower-case letters make it clear that this is not a chemical formula.
ET is not an acceptable abbreviation for ethyl.
Hi again Travis, how goes things in Wisconsin? Still have that job that allows you to be a peeping Tom?
DeleteLowell, don't spam this board, please. Comments with actual content relevant to the topic of the post are always welcome. Logorrhea/copypasta is not tolerated.
ReplyDeleteApologies to Chris for deleting the response http://vaccineconspiracytheorist.blogspot.com/search/label/Lowell%20Hubbs
It was more concise than going through is copy-pasta. Especially since one was to a biased website that characterized a Vaccine Datalink Project paper completely wrong.
DeleteOne thing that a lot of people might have missed is the statement on her web page that she is a practitioner of "Integrative Medicine." Yet, she goes on to say that the therapy she provides is "holistic and non-pharmaceutical."
ReplyDeleteWell...what she is describing is NOT Integrative Medicine. I caught this because I am a registered nurse and also a devotee of Integrative Medicine, which is a true amalgam of allopathic (aka orthodox or Western Medicine) and alternative therapies....In other words, whatever works, therapeutically, for the particular patient. Therefore, either out of ignorance, sloth, or ethical deficit, she is misrepresenting whatever it is she practices.
BTW...it is not particularly heretical for a nurse to be interested in Integrative Medicine. According to a survey done about 2 years ago, 41% of all health care professionals integrate alternative medicine into their own health care.
I have to say Anonymous, your post gave me a chuckle describing Tenpenny's practice.
DeleteBTW...it is not particularly heretical for a nurse to be interested in Integrative Medicine. According to a survey done about 2 years ago, 41% of all health care professionals integrate alternative medicine into their own health care.
This is an appeal to popularity; just because there are many who believe in alternative therapies, doesn't mean it is effective. Now I don't know what it is you offer so I won't make any assumptions. If a nice massage or even reiki or what have you makes a patient feel better as an adjunct to evidence-based medicine, then I don't see a problem with that. I do have a problem with false claims of effectiveness of alternative practises and when medicine is eschewed in favour of alternative practises.
What, exactly, is so "alternative" about treating the cause of a particular condition rather than managing/treating the symptoms?
Delete"the cause of a particular condition rather than managing/treating the symptoms?"
DeleteDepends of if the "cause" is based on reality.
Prescribing antibiotics is treating a real cause, a bacterial infection.
Prescribing homeopathy, colonics, etc to treat cancer, diabetes, HIV, etc is not treating the cause.
That's nonsense Chris. Napalming a bacterial infection with antibiotics is in my estimation also just treating a symptom rather than the cause.
DeleteReally? And yet after a course of antibiotics you are no longer sick. A wee suggestion, stay away from Google U.
Delete@capricorn - so, if I suffer a Lyme Infection & take my course of antibiotics and no longer suffer from Lyme, I haven't been "cured?"
DeleteThat's just stupidity.
@Capricorn - so antibiotics don't "cure?"
DeleteSince when?
Lawrence, Antibiotics don't cure, they bring down bacterial levels but create stronger strains of the bacteria. Also antibiotics are very disruptive to the immune system. 80% of the immune system is in your gut
DeleteCitation needed.
Delete+Science Mom - "Alternative" was - and is - still a word used to describe users of supplements including vitamins and minerals. Funny how the Healthcare Business (Doctors & Nurses & Government) are just recently stating that supplements are either "a good idea" or "absolutely necessary" in some cases. As time moves forward; only idiots would deny this - what was once considered quackery. Your "all is correct; and all that is correct now will be forever" attitude is retarded. How much do they pay you to be a paid shill troll by the way?
DeleteIntegrative medicine? That's the latest *buzz word* used in place of CAM (Complementary and Alternative Medicine).
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, could you locate that survey and provide a link that shows "...41 % of all health care professionals integrate alternative medicine into their own health care."?
BTW, I'm a registered nurse.
The way they get 41% is by counting people who take vitamins or supplements, get massages for muscle soreness or stress, eat organic foods and the list goes on. In other words; they lie, distort and deceive the public. How do I know this for sure? I'm a NP and have received these questionnaires.(for research and or statistics).
DeleteAs if being a nurse means anything... just another drug pusher...
DeleteSo, I guess you've never been to the ER.
Deletelilady - So you're a Registered Nurse. One of the undereducated. Good for you.
Delete+Lawrence What does having been to the ER have to do with anything. All nurses do not work in the ER. The last time I went to the ER; I had an issue with the nurses complacent attitude. Many nurses and doctors see so many sick people that this job - once one of compassion - is now a repetitive job of complacency. Nurses should be some of the most respected individuals around; but their attitudes to the public and attitudes against anything but what they are told (push drugs) is - for the most part - disgusting.
DeleteTheres nothing that qualifies a registered nurse as undereducated..what you learn in school is nothing like what you learn in the field
DeleteExcept that lilady did know what she was talking about. Unlike someone who posts PMIDs that do not say what he says they say.
DeleteCatherina, Editor, and Justthevax:
ReplyDelete"She once commented on Facebook the 190 pediatric flu deaths are not
statistically significant"...
Perhaps then you don't think 100,000 hospital deaths aren't either:
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22hospitals+killl+100%2C000%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
A Google search with a typo is your evidence? That is hilarious!
DeleteHospital Acquired Staff Infections are often multi drug resistant and are due to poor medical practice. Avoiding a hospital, unless truly needed, is wise.
Delete"Avoiding a hospital, unless truly needed, is wise."
DeleteOne of the best ways to avoid a hospital stay is to be fully vaccinated so that you don't get hospitalized due to an illness. It sucks getting pneumonia, and it sucks even more if you could have prevented it by making sure you are vaccinated for measles, influenza, pneumococcal, etc.
@ ArchivesDave, perhaps if we wrote an article defending iatrogenic deaths you'd have a point. But what does your comment have to do with Tenpenny's claim? That's a pretty lame defence of Tenpenny.
ReplyDeleteWait. She had all of those terrible, deadly illnesses and is still breathing?
ReplyDeleteSo death is the only endpoint anti-vaxxers give a rat's posterior about?
Delete+Science Mom - I'm concerned about the cancer causing, neurotoxins, anaphylaxis causing additives.
DeleteThe CDC website does not post these specific additives; but does warn: "For children with a prior history of allergic reactions to any of these substances in vaccines, parents should consult their child’s healthcare provider before vaccination." What 2 month old has a "prior history?" Not many if any!
Also; you state in the next posting "No one is forcing anyone to vaccinate" which is an outright LIE.
How much are you getting paid to be a paid shill troll by the way?
Bottom line is; don't expect to force vaccines on those who refuse to be vaccinated without some form of serious blowback that may request the assistance of Smith & Wessan.
ReplyDeletePlenty of doctors and scientists who claim vaccines are not safe and many more who have not come out because they know their livelihood is at stake.
Oh FFS, spare me the melodrama. No one is forcing anyone to vaccinate. No physician or scientist who is anti-vaxx have suffered any damage to their livelihoods so you can cut that nonsense too. Good grief get a little reality in your life.
DeleteVery overly dramatic.....don't expect that your choices won't have consequences as well.
DeletePublic Health policies are important - if you decide not to participate, then you (more likely your children) will be excluded from areas or places - like school, where they could be at increased risk of causing or participating in an outbreak of infectious disease.
This measure protects both them and those who cannot be vaccinated for valid medical reasons.
It is just common sense.
Overly dramatic... but lets exclude perfectly healthy children from germ carrying vaccinated kids hey?
DeleteEnsure you keep them locked up at home after vaccination. Six weeks I believe is recommended.
DeleteNo, that's incorrect. Why don't you provide your sources?
DeleteThank you, this gives me so much hope. Not everyone out there is brainwashed.
ReplyDeleteExactly - who wants to take medical advice from a woman who believes in "magic water."
ReplyDelete+Lawrence - What "magic water" are you talking about?
DeleteTenpenny is not a board certified medical practioner she has a bachelor of arts and a PhD in osteopathy try having a double bachelor of Science in microbiology and immunology
ReplyDeleteYou think you aren't being lied to? Think again. Then wonder - as any intelligent individual would - just how often these lies are stated and spread:
ReplyDeleteThe War On Cancer, launched in the early 1970s, set the stage for a massive influx of new ideas in fighting the disease of cancer. Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, America's leading cancer research center at the time, was assigned the task of testing an unconventional therapy called “Laetrile” in an effort to curb the public’s “false hope” in the alleged “quack” therapy.
Ralph W. Moss PhD, a young and eager science writer, was hired by Sloan-Kettering’s public relations department in 1974 to help brief the American public on the center’s contribution to the War On Cancer. One of his first assignments was to write a biography about Dr. Kanematsu Sugiura, one of the Center’s oldest and leading research scientists as well as the original co-inventor of chemotherapy.
While meeting with this iconic scientist to pen a biography on his 60-year career at Sloan-Kettering, Moss discovered that Sugiura had been studying this “quack remedy” in laboratory mice, and with unexpectedly positive results. Shocked and bewildered, Moss reported back to his superiors what he had discovered, only to be met with backlash and denial from Sloan-Kettering’s leaders on what their own leading scientist had found.
Fueled by respect and admiration for Sugiura—Ralph W. Moss attempted to publicize the truth about Sugiura’s findings. And after all diplomatic approaches failed, Moss lived a double life, working as a loyal employee at Sloan-Kettering while also recruiting fellow employees to help anonymously leak this information to the American public— through a newly formed underground organization they called—“Second Opinion”.
Let's see, eirescott posts eight comments in a row on a single blogpost and copypastas from a conspiracy-theory movie with no attribution but I'm the shill. Very funny when the tin foil beanie gets too tight.
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DeleteTypical "paid troll shill" scripted reply "tin foil" hat, beanie whatever
DeleteRead the facts bitch. But you already know the facts and take money over morality. What a legacy you'll leave behind.
My number of posts are inconsequential. I'm catching up on all the trash you are spewing. Perhaps I work quicker than you - having taken 2 years to do what you've done; I can erase the nonsense in an hour.
Conspiracy-theory movie? Really? You truly are a jerk. It is a documentary on Sloan-Kettering's lies.
What this all comes down to is that you are a paid shill troll - those reading this can simply Google the term that will expose you for who you really are.
Read my several comments; they will destroy your complacent nonsense about the purity and beautiful contents of vaccines.
Oops; almost forgot. You don't want to read the truth about your lies because you are a....paid shill troll
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ReplyDeleteDirectly from the CDC's website:
ReplyDeleteDTaP-HepB-IPV (Pediarix) : formaldehyde, gluteraldehyde, aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, lactalbumin hydrolysate, polysorbate 80, neomycin sulfate, polymyxin B, yeast protein, calf serum, Fenton medium (containing bovine extract), modified Latham medium (derived from bovine casein), modified Stainer-Scholte liquid medium, Vero (monkey kidney) cells
That's just one!
Read more here about what this stuff is:
http://vaxtruth.org/2011/08/vaccine-ingredients/
This is also good to know - so you know what you are promoting or concerned about - both camps:
ReplyDeleteQuestion: Is it true that tissue taken from aborted fetuses was used to develop and manufacture several routine childhood vaccines?
Answer: Yes, cells taken from fetuses aborted in the 1960's, 70's and 80's were used to develop what are known as Human Diploid Cell Strains (HDCS). Several HDCS were then used to develop and are still used to manufacture a number of childhood and adult viral vaccines. In fact, HDCS are quickly becoming the 'growth system' of choice for viral vaccines, over and against cell strains derived from monkeys, chick embryos, and others. (See questions 5 & 8 for further information)
http://www.lifecanada.org/vaccines/vaccines-fetal-tissue-qa
Science Mom said: "Oh FFS, spare me the melodrama. No one is forcing anyone to vaccinate. No physician or scientist who is anti-vaxx have suffered any damage to their livelihoods so you can cut that nonsense too. Good grief get a little reality in your life."
ReplyDeleteProof she is a lunatic who really is not aware of reality:
http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccine-requirements/california.aspx
It is happening. But this would have been a "tin foil hat" (scripted paid shill troll term) concept and a "woo woo" conspiracy nut's thoughts just a few months ago.
Think before you speak "Mom" (I doubt this "Science Mom") is what she (maybe not even a "she") pretends to be. Pharmaceutical paid shill troll is more likely the truth.
Yes, please show where "choice" is being removed. It appears that parents have a choice not to vaccinate - it just means that by making that choice, the parent is also choosing not to send their child to public school.
DeleteI wouldn't worry too much about Mr. Achy-breaky-bad-mistakey mullet boy. He was probably drunk-posting although the content wouldn't be any different sober.
DeleteWhat a heated debate this has turned out to be. And yet no solution. One side against the other. Sounds more like a political debate. Just a thought you all might want to consider...let each do his/her own. Maybe we could channel this negative energy into something beneficial. So far this war on words has zero net effect. Actually, now that I said that I admit I was wrong. there has been an effect. We are all angry at someone we don't even know. Yeah, that's a good way to live. Vaccinating has benefits. Not vaccinating has benefits. Both have drawbacks. Evaluate your individual and familial needs and make an informed decision that is right for you. Perhaps some of this negative energy can be focused on something useful.
ReplyDeleteWhat a heated debate this has turned out to be. And yet no solution. One side against the other. Sounds more like a political debate. Just a thought you all might want to consider...let each do his/her own. Maybe we could channel this negative energy into something beneficial. So far this war on words has zero net effect. Actually, now that I said that I admit I was wrong. there has been an effect. We are all angry at someone we don't even know. Yeah, that's a good way to live. Vaccinating has benefits. Not vaccinating has benefits. Both have drawbacks. Evaluate your individual and familial needs and make an informed decision that is right for you. Perhaps some of this negative energy can be focused on something useful.
ReplyDeleteOkay, explain the benefits of not vaccinating.
DeleteThe issue is not benefits, or lack thereof. The issue is freedom to make an intelligent informed decision without duress. Some vaccinations are beneficial, some are not. It isn't up to me to mandate one or the other to anyone. I will decide what is best for me, based on my personal and religious beliefs. My decision is my business. Yours is yours. I respect your right to decide what is best for you and ask, no, require that I be permitted to make that same decision for me. No one should be required to be injected with anything until the person is fully and truthfully educated about what is about to be infected into their body. Bottom line, it's still that person's decision. I would rather put my effort and energy into insuring the public is truthfully educated in order for them to make an intelligent decision.
Delete"Some vaccinations are beneficial, some are not. It isn't up to me to mandate one or the other to anyone."
DeleteWhich ones are not beneficial?
Also, it is up to school administrators and Boards of Education to make health policy decisions that affect all of their students - hence vaccine mandates have been an important tool in making schools safe environments - mostly free from vaccine preventable diseases.
DeleteCome on, Steve, tell what diseases you would like to leave your children unprotected from. Is it chicken pox? Do you think a child thinks it is fun to spend almost two weeks covered in dozens of itchy open sores, and that the week before the pox appear could be infecting someone who is vulnerable?
DeleteOr is it Hib, which was a nightmare for emergency room doctors as toddlers quickly succumbed to meningitis and there was nothing that could be done? How about rotavirus, where a toddler could go through a month's worth of diapers in just a few days, and risk dehydration (oh, here is the fun thing: it is easily passed to the caregiver). How about hepatitis, which makes a child vulnerable to liver disease?
Steve, just tell us what is your favorite disease for children to suffer through.
Steve wants us to all join hands and be ok with people who tell lies that cause children to die. Sorry, not going to happen. Go live in the past when life expectancy was just over half what it is now and one in 3 children died in childhood. I'm not interested. So I will not coddle the liars trying to put us back there.
DeleteYou're dodging Steve. You stated not vaccinating is beneficial. How so? Also, no one is requiring anyone to get vaccinated, in some states you can't send your child to public school and have to homeschool. It's their choice, not forced. As for "truthfully educated" and "intelligent decisions" about vaccines, how is Sherri Tenpenny even remotely qualified to do that?
ReplyDeleteTenpenny does not conduct medical studies (as far as I know). She reviews the data that comes from other studies & from gov't agency reports. She originally was a very orthodox, physician with mainstream views on vaccines, but after getting involved with & following vaccine studies (& the lack of studies in many cases), she changed her p.o.v. & became a leading proponent of not vaccinating.
ReplyDeleteShe still doesn't have a clue of what she is talking about Mark and doesn't have the skills nor critical-thinking to parse studies.
DeleteShe's become a germ theory denialist which tells you everything you need to know about her critical thinking skills.
DeleteGc-Maf a natural human protein proven to kill cancer cells is weakened by the poison shots we are given along with weakening the entire immune system causing a epidemic of allergies and 1in45 autism so enjoy that poison satan.
ReplyDeleteThat's certainly not English.....
DeleteIsn't it a little bit late to be jumping aboard the GcMAF scam, just when the original grifters are moving onto something new called 'Rerum'?
Delete@Smut Clyde - Rerum is not blood derived GcMAF - what do you know about Rerum anyway?
Deletewhat do you know about Rerum anyway?
Deleteit's a lucrative scam, but neither Rerum nor GcMAF have much to do with this post.
She's not payed off either
ReplyDelete@sciencemom. Can I just say you are awesome?
ReplyDeleteAnd to those of you that are refusing hep b vaccine because your child is not sexually active and neither parent has hep b: what if your child needs a blood transfusion? What if they get raped? What if they become promiscuous or an IV drug user? Better to protect them before they need the protection
And what if the child encounters a slobbering child in a child care setting or pre-school who has HepB?
DeleteWhat is the chance of any of those things happening before Kindergarden!
DeleteNice argument, not!
The Hep B vaccine should be totally voluntary. There is no "herd immunity" argument on this one.
When do you think pre-school happens? Have you never noticed a toddler putting things in their mouth?
DeleteYou obviously do not have a clue.
As someone who has taken French classes, I am amused that a spray of water is considered an insult from the great unwashed.
DeleteYes, pathogens are transmitted via pacifiers/soothers. Also only someone who has never cared for toddlers thinks they only mouth pacifiers/soothers.
Again, what is it with using the French word for a water shower? Do you think calling someone a clever way to bathe while camping is a substitute for actual factual evidence?
DeleteEvidence for what Chris?
DeleteThat children who graduate from kindergarten go on to become preschoolers. Or that hepatitis b is only sexually transmitted. Or that water showers are a bad thing.
DeleteYou might start there, since it is pretty much what you claim in this thread.
Thank you JHM. The rest of your comment will fall on deaf ears because "they" don't believe that any of that will ever happen to their precious snowflakes.
ReplyDeleteSo you are the mighty morphing sock puppet from RI! I see your only tool are infantile insults.
DeleteEven worse than a sock puppet is someone who steals a 'nym.
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Rawhide!
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Though the threads are swollen
Keep them comments trollin',
Rawhide!
I removed the obnoxious off-topic troll's comments. Sorry about that Chris, I wasn't paying attention.
ReplyDeleteThanks. Actually the foolishness was kind of entertaining, and we have a hint that one brave "anonymous" is the guy who keeps getting banned at RI for being a sock puppet.
DeleteDear brave Anonymous why do you think insults are part of mature discussion?
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Rawhide!
Trollin' Trollin' Trollin'
Though the threads are swollen
Keep them comments trollin',
Rawhide!
Move 'em on
(Head em' up!)
Head em' up
(Move 'em on!)
Move 'em on
(Head em' up!)
Rawhide!
Cut 'em out
(Paste 'em in!)
Paste'em in
(Cut em' out!)
Cut 'em out
Paste 'em in,
Rawhide!
Keep trollin', trollin', trollin'
Though they're disaprovin'
Keep them comments trollin'',
Rawhide
Don't try to understand 'em
Just rope, laugh, and ignore 'em
Soon we'll be discussin' bright without 'em
The anti-vaxx freaks just keep getting more deranged.
ReplyDeleteTravis aka Fendelsworth, knock it off.
ReplyDeleteMost of you "Vaxxers" have no clue as to how Big Pharma runs and how they continue to propagate illness so that "doctors" treat people and that's how the economy goes round and round.
ReplyDeleteOh really Keys? But you know with your Google degree? Let's see, treatment for an unvaccinated boy infected with tetanus is over $800K: https://www.webmd.com/children/vaccines/news/20190308/unvaccinated-boys-tetanus-treatment-cost-800k#1 and the cost for three doses of DTaP is $32. Which do you suppose "Big Pharma" makes more money on?
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